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« on: January 30, 2009, 11:16:48 PM » |
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So how often does a dean get fired before completing his or her first term? I think we are about to lose one out my way.
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king_ghidorah
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 11:21:44 PM » |
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Well...let us know. We'd like to lose our entire administration out our way - what's your secret?
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 12:46:49 AM » |
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Many as good ones are hard to find and keep. I went to a new deans workshop several years ago and .1/2 of the 20+ participants were in no longer deans one year later
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 11:01:43 AM » |
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I haven't known of a case in which a dean was actually fired. I have known of several in which the acting dean applied for the job and was not selected, which must feel like being fired. Here, a higher-level administrator was fired after about a year. This person was loathed by everyone. Some of that was preventable, but some might not have been. We are in a crisis mode and people who suffer from budget cuts need someone to loathe together. You know you're in trouble when someone's firing sounds like good news.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 09:38:00 AM » |
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How is it decided that a dean has failed? Is it by displeasing the faculty, or the upper admin?
We have a dean who is known as a hothead, who yells at anyone who doesn't go along with his act and ideas, chooses favourites, keeps secrets to help implement a "divide and conquer" policy, ignores e-mails from faculty members, regularly violates the rules of the union contract, and spends more time off campus than on. There are still a few people who are fooled by the facade and talks about "how much he cares about us all" (yeah, until you inadvertently end up on the wrong side!) and "how much he's done for our department" (while crushing others), but most people are constantly disgusted.
And yet, this is not considered a failed dean. Very obviously, anything short of running an actual brothel out of the faculty lounge is acceptable.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 10:49:28 AM » |
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A failed dean is one who doesn't please the president.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 11:17:58 AM » |
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A failed dean is one who doesn't please the president.
Or there can be a revolt from below, which just happened nearby. If alumni giving drys up, and department heads revolt, pressure can really go up fast... |
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2009, 11:46:50 AM » |
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And yet, this is not considered a failed dean. Very obviously, anything short of running an actual brothel out of the faculty lounge is acceptable.
I can't help thinking that, in the current financial climate, if it was profitable even this might be looked upon kindly. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2009, 12:23:14 PM » |
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I had a Dean who was fired (but given a job as a full prof if he wanted it at same pay). These things are rare but they did it by actually eliminating his College and merging the programs into others colleges.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2009, 09:26:20 AM » |
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Deans have lots of metrics and lots of ways to fail -- in fact, more ways to fail than to succeed. In addition to the need to satisfy alumni, faculty, and provosts and presidents, there are also students, trustees, development offices, budget and finance folks, and so forth. It's impossible to satisfy everyone, and so a certain amount of dissatisfaction is always tolerated (e.g. "I hate working with her, but she keeps the faculty happy"). The only rule about dean removal is a simple one: the dean is removed when the forces opposing him outweigh the forces supporting him.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2009, 09:48:47 AM » |
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Business school deans are fired frequently - though many of them are smart enough to jump ship before being pushed overboard.
The basic rules of business school deans is: Not generating enough funds - your fired!
It is a tough gig!
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2009, 10:39:47 AM » |
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Deans have lots of metrics and lots of ways to fail -- in fact, more ways to fail than to succeed. In addition to the need to satisfy alumni, faculty, and provosts and presidents, there are also students, trustees, development offices, budget and finance folks, and so forth. It's impossible to satisfy everyone, and so a certain amount of dissatisfaction is always tolerated (e.g. "I hate working with her, but she keeps the faculty happy"). The only rule about dean removal is a simple one: the dean is removed when the forces opposing him outweigh the forces supporting him. So true. At my institution the deans are tenured faculty, so a few have returned to faculty positions after removal. |
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2009, 08:23:03 PM » |
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Well, the Dean was "temporarily" removed last week. Major victory for the forces of good!
He may take the Provost down with him. Two for one.
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 09:00:00 PM » |
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Well, the Dean was "temporarily" removed last week. Major victory for the forces of good!
He may take the Provost down with him. Two for one.
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2009, 10:04:30 AM » |
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I know of two or three this has happened to, and it usually wasn't pretty. When it happens that quickly, it is usually more than simply poor performance - the dean would have to have done something harmful to the institution and have shown no remorse. The effect on the College will depend on whether the dean just offended the President or Provost, or whether he did something which horrified the faculty and staff as well. If the former, it can be demoralizing, because after a long search and the positive energy of a new dean taking over, the administration will be seen as stepping in and ruining everything, then asking them to start the process again. If the latter, the administration may be seen as heroes for acknowledging the misfit and solving the problem quickly. In that case, there is often a common bond and additional trust between the College and higher administration as they begin work on a new search, unified in their desire not to repeat their past mistake.
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