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peter73
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« on: January 15, 2009, 02:05:15 PM »

Today is so cold outside. I feel chilly inside after reading an email from my chair.  He criticized me with very strong words in his writing.

I joined the department just a year and I had asked his help to solve our two-body problem. He knew this because he asked my marriage status. By then he said he would help us.

He did send emails to the top administrators for help. But the deans said they cannot help for different reasons.  A few  months ago I asked for a meeting with our dean for help. (This backfired).   They said they would like to help but did not tell me how.

In a recent meeting with the department head I told him that nothing tangible has been done. In a email to him I said someone should do sth instead of just talking. I immediately received an email from him. He told me that I did not appreciate the effort the he and others have done. And he also told me that I should mentioned in the application letter that solving a two-body problem is the condition that I can stay with the school.

He forward my email to others. This really causes many concerns. In his follow-up letter he mentioned that he wasn't happy because I asked help from dean without notifying him.

My questions are

1: should I ask help from the dean without notifying him?
2: can he forward my email to others?
3: can he ask my marriage status?
4: if you were in this situation, what will you do?


I welcome any comments and suggestions about this issue.

Thanks,
 Peter
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 02:09:31 PM »

He did send emails to the top administrators for help. But the deans said they cannot help for different reasons.  A few  months ago I asked for a meeting with our dean for help. (This backfired).   They said they would like to help but did not tell me how.

In a recent meeting with the department head I told him that nothing tangible has been done. In a email to him I said someone should do sth instead of just talking. I immediately received an email from him. He told me that I did not appreciate the effort the he and others have done. And he also told me that I should mentioned in the application letter that solving a two-body problem is the condition that I can stay with the school.


It sounds as though you were aggressive, and are now surprised that you received a similarly aggressive reply.  Yes, that was a mistake.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 02:13:59 PM »

Short summary answer: stop asking, put nose to grindstone, and apply for other jobs.  

They get that you have a two body problem but can't do anything about it.  

If you have another offer, they may be able to get the higher ups to put something together if they really want to keep you.

For them to really want to keep you, you need to be a productive scholar and/or excellent teacher (depending on the type of school) and not piss them off by continually bringing up the spousal issue.

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 02:18:32 PM »

You are asking the wrong questions.  Forget about who emailed what to him and whether it was appropriate.  Your job is to repair your strained relationship with your Chair and Dean.

Fixing a two-body problem is an enormous challenge.  It requires two separate departments to make two separate hires at the same time for two desired people.  If you are not a superstar, it's extremely difficult.

The Chair and Dean either tried their best or did not.  What you do know is that they cannot or will not help you further.  You must move on from this issue and restore their faith in you that you really want to be here, lest it impact your tenure case in the future.

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 02:24:36 PM »

Agreed - especially in this budget climate.  Spousal hires are very complicated.  There probably isn't anything that can be done.  Many searches are being cancelled, let alone creating a new position where one might not have previously existed.

Could your department head have been working his butt off behind the scenes, risking his political capital, on your behalf?  If that's the case, then he would be annoyed.  Plus, it sounds like you jumped the chain of command, which might also be important to your chair.

Stitch was right that an outside offer is really the only thing that will make them put their money where their mouth is and that might not even work in this budget crunch.  In the meantime, if you want to stay at this place, maybe you should try to make nice....



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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 02:26:11 PM »

Did you make a mistake?  Yes, several in fact.

Now do as Untenured said and go smooth some ruffled feathers.  Then, start applying for jobs that will fix your two-body problem.

Finally, you should choose a more appropriate board for your follow-up queries when you decide to ignore the good advice here and have made a real mess of things by May.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 02:30:47 PM »

What jammer said.  What molly_per said.

Exactly.  You have two choices as I see them:

1. Make nice and accept the two-body issue as a non-issue until further notice.

2. Prepare thee for another employer.

What I would do is this: Assuming I want to stay here, I would work as hard as I could to make myself a valuable and important member of the faculty.  Through that hard work and collegial activity you will gain reputation and influence.  Reputation and influence will increase your leverage to achieve the two-body goal.   It also has the benefit of making yourself more marketable should you want to leave.  Yet, this is not a quick solution.

Our personal value is the only asset we truly possess in academia.  Improve that and doors will open for all kinds of good things.

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 02:48:46 PM »

Yes, Peter, from the way you describe it, it sounds as though your chair is upset, and for good reason.  You've gotten a lot of excellent advice here, so I won't repeat all that.  Instead, I'll try to answer your questions and help you to see where you went wrong.  You didn't say where you are, so note that my comments below apply to the United States.  Norms might be different elsewhere.

My questions are

1: should I ask help from the dean without notifying him?

Absolutely not.  That's called "doing an end-run" or "going over the head of" your department chair, and both are frowned upon, especially by the person you've done the end-run around or whose head you've gone over.  It's very bad form to do this, except under the most dire of circumstances.


2: can he forward my email to others?

Absolutely.  So can anyone else.  Never put into an email something you want kept confidential, unless you completely trust the recipient not to share it with anyone--and even then, think twice.

3: can he ask my marriage status?

When?  He is not supposed to ask before making a job offer (although many people do, often as part of the casual conversation that accompanies a meal or other "social" time during the interview process).  After you're hired, sure, he can ask.  But whenever the question arises, you're under no obligation to answer it, if you don't want to.


4: if you were in this situation, what will you do?

I would be very, very nice to the people who were trying to help me--and I'd also be encouraging SO to send out lots and lots of application letters, etc. (i.e., to look for work independently of any efforts the university folks made on SO's behalf).

I welcome any comments and suggestions about this issue.

I'm very sorry that you're having the two-body problem.  I've got a two-body problem, too (I'm the "extra" body), so I truly do understand your plight.  But look at what you did, from your department chair's point of view:

1) After learning that you had an SO who needs a job, he contacted the top administrators at your school and solicited their help in finding work for your SO.  Truthfully, there's probably not much more that he can do.  He can't force anyone to hire your SO, assuming there are even any appropriate job vacancies.  And he certainly can't force anyone to create a job where none exists.  All he really can do is ask and, maybe (depending on a lot of things), try to persuade.

2) After learning that none of your deans could help you, you met with your own dean to explore the problem further.  If you did not tell your department chair about this meeting, he likely thinks that you don't trust him or you think he's incompetent.  Either way, it was inappropriate to leave him uninformed (a) because he was trying to help, and (b) because he is in the chain of command between you and the dean, and it's bad form to skip links in the chain of command--especially when you're new.

3) After all that, you then sent an email to the department chair and, without acknowledging the efforts he or anyone else has made on your behalf (successful or not, people have tried to help), you complain that everyone is just sitting around talking about your problem instead of solving it.  You seem completely unaware that it is your responsibility to solve the problem, and these people are simply doing what they can to help, however much or little that may be.  They are not obligated to solve your problem.

4) If you had told the chair about your two-body problem in your application letter, you might not have gotten the offer, it's true.  I am certainly not saying you should have mentioned it in your letter (you did the right thing by not mentioning it), even if that's what your chair is saying.  But you do have to understand his frustration: He went through a job search and he hired you thinking that he had successfully filled the vacancy in the department.  Now he's finding out that he may have to go through the whole process again, if you and your SO decide to leave.  That's not your problem (just as your SO's need for a job is not the chair's problem), but it's probably the reason he said you should have told him about the two-body problem in your application letter.  He is probably thinking that he's got problems either way:  If you leave, he has to run a new search.  If you stay, he has a whiner on his hands, and worse, a whiner who runs to the dean behind his back.

As I said, I do understand your frusration.  But it sounds like you also need to learn a lot more about the academic culture, in general and especially at your school, and then follow the norms.  And you need to recognize which problems are yours to solve.  Good luck to you.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 03:54:19 PM »

You have screwed up very badly, but your situation is not hopeless.

Your chair bent over backwards trying to accommodate your needs but was not able to do so. You paid him back by going behind his back to the dean. And in doing so you came off as entitled, ungrateful, and a huge whiner.

There is not going to be a spousal hire for you at this institution. Even if the budget miraculously improves, you have poisoned the well. So put your nose to the grindstone and beef up your vita. Your spouse should do the same. The both of you need to go onto the market next year and try to find positions where you can live together--though it might not work out.

But before you do anything, apologize to your chair. Thank him for all he has tried to do, apologize for going behind his back, and assure him that it will never happen again.

Good luck.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 08:23:38 PM »

Thank you all for the comments, especially to Untenured and infopri.  I realize that contacting others without notifying him was bad.  I assumed him that this will not happen again. I apologized to the department head in person and hope we can improve the strained relationship.

Well, the dual-career problem was made known to him when I had the on-site interview. And he said he would use his leverage to help. That's part of the reason that I passed the other offer to join this school.  But we did not put any specific things into the offer letter. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 08:47:36 PM »

Thank you all for the comments, especially to Untenured and infopri.  I realize that contacting others without notifying him was bad.  I assumed him that this will not happen again. I apologized to the department head in person and hope we can improve the strained relationship.

Well, the dual-career problem was made known to him when I had the on-site interview. And he said he would use his leverage to help. That's part of the reason that I passed the other offer to join this school.  But we did not put any specific things into the offer letter

Peter
 

Exactly. You accepted an offer of a job, without applying the condition that they hire your spouse (which may have cost you the offer, that is true), and now you are complaining they have not hired your spouse.
'I'll use my leverage to help' could mean "I'll create a job for your spouse, no matter what", but it could also mean "I'll email your spouse's CV round other departments, and ask them to have a look" or even "I'll make sure your spouse gets an appointment with the careers office, where they can look at the local want ads".
If you really wouldn't have wanted to take this job if it didn't come with a job for your spouse, you shouldn't have signed a contract that didn't include a job for your spouse.
The Department Head is now (understandably) annoyed because you are acting like he reneged on a deal, when you did not say that a job for your spouse was a dealbreaker on the original offer.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 11:29:25 PM »

By the way, I don't think you burned a bridge.  You might have tugged on the rope, perhaps, but nothing done here is incurable.

In any event, your job now is to be the best faculty member you can.  Put this behind you.  Don't keep raising it up again.  Be a good citizen in your school, whatever that means.  Improve your influence and marketability.  Enjoy the happy life an academic like yourself deserves.

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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 11:18:25 PM »


Well, the dual-career problem was made known to him when I had the on-site interview. And he said he would use his leverage to help. That's part of the reason that I passed the other offer to join this school.  But we did not put any specific things into the offer letter. 

Peter
 

It might be very well the case that he [your chair] did try hard to help your spouse, but he could not do much. We have such a case in our department; the chair called the dean, provost and deans from other colleges trying to accomodate a spouse, but there are no money available, not even for a VA or instructor. Unfotunately, if your university does not have a specific policy to address the spousal hiring, all you can do is to wait and/or go back on the market.

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 02:46:14 PM »

It sounds like he did try to help.  But, you made the decision to sign the letter without an offer for your spouse, so now you kind of have to live with it....
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