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« on: January 12, 2009, 09:00:19 PM » |
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One or two folks always stroll in late (the same people) which just irritates me. Both tenured of course. Any suggestions?
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sciencephd
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2009, 09:05:00 PM » |
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Ignore it.
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
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sciencephd
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 09:06:48 PM » |
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Ignore it.
Oh, you must be the Chair. Torment them. |
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
O, what a hateful feminist concoction!
Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts --Pyshnov
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 09:09:43 PM » |
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Before they come in, tell the whole group to stop talking and stare at them expressionless until they take their seat, and then about 4 beats after that. Resume meeting without comment. Repeat as needed.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 09:10:45 PM » |
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Ignore it is probably best. If you can't ignore it, you can say loudly when they walk in something like "so, then we are all agreed that Prof. Tardy will be chairing the department sucky committee". At least the rest of the folks will get a laugh.
On review -- I like not a prof's answer - and will do that at my next meeting!
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2009, 08:19:11 AM » |
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Put important agenda items up front, start the meeting on time, and ignore the behavior. If they care, they will start coming on time. If they don't care, you probably don't want or need their input anyway. Turn the disrespect around so that it affects them rather than you.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 08:27:53 AM » |
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Put important agenda items up front, start the meeting on time, and ignore the behavior. If they care, they will start coming on time. If they don't care, you probably don't want or need their input anyway. Turn the disrespect around so that it affects them rather than you.
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Clowns, I tell you. Clowns.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2009, 06:32:19 PM » |
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One of our campus teaching-and-learning gurus recently told me about a very effective rule for student groups in classes: under no circumstances is a group meeting to begin without everyone present. Otherwise the group communicates to the late person that s/he isn't that important -- leading to future lateness. And the peer pressure of those who must sit around doing nothing until the late person gets there is an added incentive for them to be on time the next time.
Would this transfer to faculty meetings? I'd think that the experience of coming into a room with everyone glowering at you for making them sit around could constitute pretty good reason to be there on time after that.
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mtnlover
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2009, 07:24:04 PM » |
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Interesting theory. I think with our group we might be waiting a while (some never remember to say they won't be there that week). I honestly believe some would thrive on it and allow it to feed their egos - they already feel like starting without them invalidates the meeting. One of our campus teaching-and-learning gurus recently told me about a very effective rule for student groups in classes: under no circumstances is a group meeting to begin without everyone present. Otherwise the group communicates to the late person that s/he isn't that important -- leading to future lateness. And the peer pressure of those who must sit around doing nothing until the late person gets there is an added incentive for them to be on time the next time.
Would this transfer to faculty meetings? I'd think that the experience of coming into a room with everyone glowering at you for making them sit around could constitute pretty good reason to be there on time after that.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2009, 07:39:48 PM » |
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Interesting theory. I think with our group we might be waiting a while (some never remember to say they won't be there that week). I honestly believe some would thrive on it and allow it to feed their egos - they already feel like starting without them invalidates the meeting. One of our campus teaching-and-learning gurus recently told me about a very effective rule for student groups in classes: under no circumstances is a group meeting to begin without everyone present. Otherwise the group communicates to the late person that s/he isn't that important -- leading to future lateness. And the peer pressure of those who must sit around doing nothing until the late person gets there is an added incentive for them to be on time the next time.
Would this transfer to faculty meetings? I'd think that the experience of coming into a room with everyone glowering at you for making them sit around could constitute pretty good reason to be there on time after that.
For the a$$klown faculty members I have known, this would heighten their senses of enjoyment and power and they would not respond favorably to the social signaling. But of course YMMV. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2009, 08:38:33 PM » |
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Not beginning until everyone arrives works fine--as long as no one is more than ten minutes late, and no one in the group has another meeting or other obligation to follow immediately. And that goes for student groups as well. Once in a while, everyone is late, but perennially late (for meetings, not parties) is just not acceptable behavior. It is completely unacceptable for someone to stroll in assured that no one would dare begin without him or her.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2009, 09:44:14 PM » |
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Learn from them.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 12:40:20 PM » |
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Ignore them. Do not repeat any business or votes. If they wish to discuss something that's already been decided, tough toenails. Learn to say, with authority, "Moving on!" Start the meeting on time (as long as you have a quorum). Respect the time of those who are courteous and pay attention to the actual starting time.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2009, 12:42:10 PM » |
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Once again, Anthroid is spot on.
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It's not procrastination. It's "just in time" delivery.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2009, 12:48:09 PM » |
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We had one of these in our department for years. It stopped when our new chair starting handing out committee assignments right at the beginning of the meeting. Our chair would nominate one of the late people, we would all vote unanimously for him to receive the honored appointment , and suddenly Mr. Late was stuck on the "Restoring Civility" committee, the college "Technology Assessment" committee and the university's "Physical Plant Modernization" committee. He has not been late to a meeting since...
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