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« Reply #195 on: January 14, 2009, 11:25:00 PM » |
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Okay, but here's what interested me...
I suggested that it was equally possible/probable that s/he was brilliant and/or a paranoid schizophrenic, and that communal academic processes like peer review are what differentiates between those...
And s/he was just fine with that--and thanked me for providing some concrete information.
I know the mode of communication was a little odd, given the usual expectations of academia, but this really may have been someone who was just looking for discussion and clarification. And I've gotta love someone who will entertain schizophrenia as an explanation!
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« Reply #196 on: January 15, 2009, 12:45:01 AM » |
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In math, you're expected to study lecture notes, and then fill in all the details yourself, or ask for help if you get stuck. But my advisor expected me to not need help, and got upset when I did need help (mind you this is help in proving theorems which run chapters long).
I was curious about something you didn't mention. Did your advisor ever help any of the other grad students when they got stuck? Or is that something she always refused to do? And do you know if there are other advisors who do help their students when they get stuck in a situation such as the one you were in? Also, how and when the OP asked for help is another consideration. Was it during class? After class? During an appointment? Or was it as the prof. was running down the hall at 6:30 p.m., trying to make it to the dance school to pick his daughter up from ballet class? Actually, the advisor is a she, from the original post. I don't know but am guessing the OP is a he. There may be some gender issues with female authority figures (clamping down on the OP's unrecognized genius) going on here. Or, perhaps the OP's light really is being hidden under a bushel. I suppose that we will never know. It's entirely possible the OP will, in his new career in IT, have a moment of shamanistic insight that leads to the invention of the Next Big Thing - Web 4.0? - which would have never blessed the earth if he had become just another careerist academic. -Dr. T., aspiring sellout |
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« Reply #197 on: January 15, 2009, 08:22:45 AM » |
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In math, you're expected to study lecture notes, and then fill in all the details yourself, or ask for help if you get stuck. But my advisor expected me to not need help, and got upset when I did need help (mind you this is help in proving theorems which run chapters long).
I was curious about something you didn't mention. Did your advisor ever help any of the other grad students when they got stuck? Or is that something she always refused to do? And do you know if there are other advisors who do help their students when they get stuck in a situation such as the one you were in? Also, how and when the OP asked for help is another consideration. Was it during class? After class? During an appointment? Or was it as the prof. was running down the hall at 6:30 p.m., trying to make it to the dance school to pick his daughter up from ballet class? Another important consideration: what was the prof wearing, and what had s/he eaten that day? How old is s/he? What kind of religious beliefs does s/he hold? Is s/he a single child? Really, context is everything. |
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« Reply #198 on: January 15, 2009, 11:13:13 AM » |
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p.s. don't expect anything other than mediocre trolling snark from sciencephd.
That is excellent and direct troll-to-troll communication and advice. Trolls unite ! No, 11-post ketchup1000, sciencephd has left the sane, temporal world to become an impromptu, poetic genius. Recognizing that is a step on the path to the Truth. You are following the wrong guru. |
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« Reply #199 on: January 15, 2009, 08:51:07 PM » |
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p.s. don't expect anything other than mediocre trolling snark from sciencephd.
That is excellent and direct troll-to-troll communication and advice. Trolls unite ! No, 11-post ketchup1000, sciencephd has left the sane, temporal world to become an impromptu, poetic genius. Recognizing that is a step on the path to the Truth. You are following the wrong guru. Don't you mean GURU? |
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« Reply #200 on: January 16, 2009, 05:30:22 AM » |
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I do not agree with symbolicsorcery on almost any point except that academia is corrupt. Academia is poor people who are trying to speak rich language. The proof is this very thread. Everybody has put here bits of knowledge to show themselves as rich individuals, intellectually rich. Is this corruption? In a sense of corrupt purpose, yes. And this is what symbolicsorcery was talking about.
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« Reply #201 on: January 16, 2009, 08:44:10 AM » |
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I do not agree with symbolicsorcery on almost any point except that academia is corrupt. Academia is poor people who are trying to speak rich language. The proof is this very thread. Everybody has put here bits of knowledge to show themselves as rich individuals, intellectually rich. Is this corruption? In a sense of corrupt purpose, yes. And this is what symbolicsorcery was talking about.
We do not post here to show our intellectual wealth. We post here to engage in an topic that interests us, learn from our colleagues, and share our triumphs and sorrows. Besides, why would we post on an academic forum to show how smart we are? Everyone here is smart. It's not a big deal. Untenured |
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You are among the Pure and Truthful, however small their Number.
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« Reply #202 on: January 16, 2009, 12:36:54 PM » |
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We do not post here to show our intellectual wealth. We post here to engage in an topic that interests us, learn from our colleagues, and share our triumphs and sorrows.
Besides, why would we post on an academic forum to show how smart we are? Everyone here is smart. It's not a big deal.
I agree with this analysis. One of the primary serious reasons that people gave on the last poll about why they come here was to engage in discussion with other educated, intelligent colleagues. Therefore, having a new poster start yelling about being "smart with good grades, high test scores, and a top class ranking" just strikes us as weird. It's like bragging about being an oxygen-breathing mammal who speaks English. Yes, that describes nearly all of us here. What's your point? |
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« Reply #203 on: January 16, 2009, 08:31:48 PM » |
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Academia is poor people who are trying to speak rich language.
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« Reply #204 on: January 16, 2009, 08:38:15 PM » |
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And this is what symbolicsorcery was talking about.
No, symbolicsorcery was just high from toking up on weed all day. What's your excuse ? |
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« Reply #205 on: January 18, 2009, 11:12:37 AM » |
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Oh, so so sorry I missed this while OP was in the house. Although I don't really believe in him. BTW, whoever mentioned it, I appreciated the Alice B. Toklas reference. Made me feel young, that did.
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« Reply #206 on: January 18, 2009, 04:18:01 PM » |
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Academia is poor people who are trying to speak rich language.
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« Reply #207 on: January 19, 2009, 12:34:11 AM » |
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And this is what symbolicsorcery was talking about.
No, symbolicsorcery was just high from toking up on weed all day. What's your excuse ? Dude, and he never passed it, either. Jerk. |
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« Reply #208 on: January 19, 2009, 09:46:50 AM » |
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No, he never passed it. For all his talk of sharing truth...
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« Reply #209 on: January 19, 2009, 03:10:00 PM » |
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symbolic, check out the recent book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, in particular the section about Christopher Langan. The moral of the story is that genuine extraordinary talent and dedication don't get a person far in this world without some social savvy. Of particular interest is Langan's extremely wrong understanding of the opportunities that a professorship would give him.
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