bioteacher
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« Reply #1290 on: February 14, 2012, 05:56:29 PM » |
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Oh my, MD. The plot thickens....
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My work ethic is somewhere in Lake Buena Vista. I need to go look for it.
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gennimom
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« Reply #1291 on: February 15, 2012, 02:12:30 AM » |
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A guidance counselor...
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...only after reading gm's post, my new mantra is "always listen to gennimom".
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polly_mer
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« Reply #1292 on: February 15, 2012, 07:13:50 AM » |
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I'm impressed that she even knew what you meant. I'm old enough to have seen the original "Footloose," but I only recognized the song from one of the "Shreks."
Pretty amazing that she lets her mom write a paper, then blames Mom. Flakey is the one who turned in the paper.
Wow - that whole scene is so wrong on so many levels. Must say I'm hoping for Act III, Mended_Drum, if you're told what comes next. I don't know who wrote what part of the paper (it was just a short response), but when I turned the paperwork over to the dean, he noted that the mother is a high school guidance counselor. So what you're saying is that mother should have known much better and Flakey should be swinging in the wind. Right? Guidance counselors teach independence and consequences, right? Helicopter down! indeed. |
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usukprof
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...but at least now is leet.
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« Reply #1293 on: February 15, 2012, 02:25:52 PM » |
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That is really stunning. I don't suppose it would be ethical for the dean to contact the high school principal...
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Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. --Dean Vernon Wormer
They can't do that to my graduate students. Only I can do that to my students. --adapted from Donald "Boon" Schoenstein and Eric "Otter" Stratton
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« Reply #1294 on: February 15, 2012, 05:47:29 PM » |
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Me too, GM. CBD, you've got to tell us the student's response.
BTW, that was Mended Drum's student, not mine. The student dropped by to--I kid you not here--ask me if it was okay if she didn't attend class on Tuesdays (it's a Tuesday/Thursday class). I reviewed the department attendance policy, then I asked, "By the way, have you ever seen the original version of Footloose?" She looked blank for a moment and then burst into tears. Then she pulled out her cell phone, called her mother and started yelling at her because "She caught me! I told you that you can't cheat at this school! You've ruined my life!" Alarmed, I called the assoc. dean of students, who led her away, still sobbing (the student, not the dean) and intermittently yelling into the phone. No idea if the academic dishonesty charges will be pursued. Probably. Holy cow! (And sorry I didn't give you the correct credit, Mended_Drum.) What stands out for me is "I told you that you can't cheat at this school!" So does that mean Flakey has been allowed to cheat at other schools? That Mom the Guidance Counselor works at McCheater High and since it's allowed there, she thought it would be allowed anywhere? That Flakey recognizes the differences in good vs. bad schools (but made the wrong choice anyway)? Or am I explicating way too much? |
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Sending an army of orcs and nazgul your way RIGHT NOW. Don't take it personally.
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bioteacher
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« Reply #1295 on: February 15, 2012, 06:16:57 PM » |
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On a happier note, I asked Neighbor Kid last evening if he knew what plagiarism was. He did. I then asked him if it was okay to use the words from the source as long as you gave credit to that source, or if you had to put those words in quote marks, too. He thought for a second and said you have to use quotation marks.
I asked him how he knew this and he said his teachers have told him.
He's in seventh grade. There is hope.
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« Reply #1296 on: February 15, 2012, 07:45:00 PM » |
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I don't know about hope.
One of my plagiarism cases involved a paper written (copied and pasted, I mean) by the student's father, who was a lawyer.
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gennimom
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« Reply #1297 on: February 15, 2012, 08:01:36 PM » |
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I don't know about hope.
One of my plagiarism cases involved a paper written (copied and pasted, I mean) by the student's father, who was a lawyer.
Makes me wonder how he passed his classes and the Bar. |
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...only after reading gm's post, my new mantra is "always listen to gennimom".
Monday reeks! - Garfield The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a person (or something like that). |
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geonerd
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« Reply #1298 on: February 15, 2012, 08:09:07 PM » |
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I don't know about hope.
One of my plagiarism cases involved a paper written (copied and pasted, I mean) by the student's father, who was a lawyer.
The hope is still one generation away, but the circle will eventually complete. The current generation of students will lack the skills to successfully cheat on behalf of their offspring. |
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« Reply #1299 on: February 15, 2012, 08:38:03 PM » |
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I don't know about hope.
One of my plagiarism cases involved a paper written (copied and pasted, I mean) by the student's father, who was a lawyer.
The hope is still one generation away, but the circle will eventually complete. The current generation of students will lack the skills to successfully cheat on behalf of their offspring. Well, there is that. |
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usukprof
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« Reply #1300 on: February 15, 2012, 10:44:06 PM » |
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The movie Emperor's Club should be mandatory viewing for new students. I've told my graduate students to watch it.
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Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. --Dean Vernon Wormer
They can't do that to my graduate students. Only I can do that to my students. --adapted from Donald "Boon" Schoenstein and Eric "Otter" Stratton
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senay
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« Reply #1301 on: February 24, 2012, 04:36:41 PM » |
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After spending more than a week on teaching the students what plagiarism is and how not to plagiarism -- after homework assignments and in-class exercises -- I already have two papers with plagiarism out of the 20 I've graded. Disheartened. Greatly disheartened.
I can teach, but they won't necessarily learn, I guess.
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« Reply #1302 on: February 24, 2012, 07:31:08 PM » |
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This story is a couple years old now --but still memorable to me. Student turned in a two-page response paper worth about 2% of the total course grade. It was the third (or fourth) one of the semester. It clearly wasn't this student's writing. A quick google search turned up the three websites it had been clipped together from. I went through a copy of the paper with 3 highlighters (showing the different colors for the different websites). And I emailed the student to come in for a meeting.
Student arrives in office. I put the original on the desk turned for the student to be able to read it and said there was a problem with the paper, did she know what the problem was. She touched the paper with her fingertip and looked nervous and said, no, she didn't know what the problem was. I set out the highlighted version with printouts of the web pages.
She looked totally and completely stunned. And her explanation?
She had been so far behind that a friend of hers had offered to write the paper. I actually believed her (and still do). Of course that hardly mattered. But wow. Just wow. She cried. I filled up the paperwork and shipped off the whole file. What a mess. I have no idea if she tried to use it as any sort of a defense since I wasn't required to be at the hearing.
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citrine
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« Reply #1303 on: February 28, 2012, 12:55:09 PM » |
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She had been so far behind that a friend of hers had offered to write the paper. I actually believed her (and still do). Of course that hardly mattered. But wow. Just wow. She cried. I filled up the paperwork and shipped off the whole file. What a mess. I have no idea if she tried to use it as any sort of a defense since I wasn't required to be at the hearing.
I have heard that from students of mine and at the hearings I have attended as a member of the board at my school that hears charges like that. Our response tends to be something like, "Unfortunately, you've just dug this hole for yourself even deeper now" and then inform them that we will also be bringing the other student up on charges. (Usually, demanding that they give up the name of their "helper" makes the ones who are trying to use this as an excuse for their own plagiarism confess rather than throw someone else on the bonfire.) |
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polly_mer
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« Reply #1304 on: February 28, 2012, 03:49:28 PM » |
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She had been so far behind that a friend of hers had offered to write the paper. I actually believed her (and still do). Of course that hardly mattered. But wow. Just wow. She cried. I filled up the paperwork and shipped off the whole file. What a mess. I have no idea if she tried to use it as any sort of a defense since I wasn't required to be at the hearing.
I have heard that from students of mine and at the hearings I have attended as a member of the board at my school that hears charges like that. Our response tends to be something like, "Unfortunately, you've just dug this hole for yourself even deeper now" and then inform them that we will also be bringing the other student up on charges. (Usually, demanding that they give up the name of their "helper" makes the ones who are trying to use this as an excuse for their own plagiarism confess rather than throw someone else on the bonfire.) Yep. I love that confession because that makes the paperwork easier. Oh, you lied about getting help? Just making that paperwork even easier because lying to me about academic matters is an offense as well. Next time, just write the paper and it will be easier all around. |
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