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« Reply #2100 on: November 26, 2009, 01:49:49 PM » |
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It's not the computer, it's the over-crowding. It can be a real problem at some schools getting anything you need, so they do need to jump on it. But yes, it's becoming a handy excuse.
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« Reply #2101 on: November 26, 2009, 07:28:06 PM » |
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Indeed, all of my classes for Spring were completely full to the caps before registration was half over. I've now permitted three or four students to enroll over the caps when they came and asked me personally and seemed to be really determined.
Now, the first-day-of-classes quiz may make some of the less-dedicated drop.
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Unfortunately, I think conjugate gives good advice.
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« Reply #2102 on: November 26, 2009, 07:49:50 PM » |
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I usually manage to scare a few away by going over my attendance policy. Then review workload, as arranged over the course of the semester, step by stop on the schedule. Then I discuss how anyone caught plagiarizing will go straight to hell...
I don't smile.
I have fun in my classes, and scaring away students who aren't willing to do the work makes classes a lot more enjoyable.
There was an instructor mentioned in the Chronicle a while back who made his students sign a sheet in which they conceded they would go to Hell if they cheated in his class. It produced a big fuss, as you might expect. Are you this person, or merely borrowing the idea? |
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Unfortunately, I think conjugate gives good advice.
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« Reply #2103 on: November 27, 2009, 08:48:25 AM » |
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Indeed, all of my classes for Spring were completely full to the caps before registration was half over. I've now permitted three or four students to enroll over the caps when they came and asked me personally and seemed to be really determined.
Now, the first-day-of-classes quiz may make some of the less-dedicated drop.
Well, now the drop rate depends. The class that I had fill up on the first day of registration was required for the major, is offered once every year, and is generally taught by a non-native English speaker who was coerced into teaching a subject not used since graduate school. Since word got around that I am teaching it this year as a native English-speaker who has a genuine interest in that subject, everyone jumped on that class, which meant that the poor sophomores and juniors who didn't get to register until Wednesday were locked out. Upon personal plea with vouching by others in the department about how much I want these great students in my class, I allowed four into the class, but the room is full now so the remainder are out of luck. I seriously doubt that even the first-day-of-classes quiz, which is standard in our department, will make anyone drop that class. I do expect to have several drops in my science for teachers classes after they get the first day spiel with quiz. But those classes still weren't completely full the last time I looked. I assume word got around about me in that population as well. |
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« Reply #2104 on: November 28, 2009, 07:38:51 PM » |
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I had forgotten this one until I was reminded while cleaning out the e-mail mailbox.
Student: "Dr. <Conjugate>, I have this question. I can't register for this class, so I want to know if I can register for another class."
Me: "Well, let's see. <Sees ambiguous and conflicting advice in various official publications.> This is unclear, and frankly, I'm pretty new here. Have you talked to your adviser yet? That's the person who ought to know how this kind of thing is handled."
Student: "Umm...well...."
Me: "What's the matter?"
Student: "You're my adviser. Don't you remember when I came in a week ago and we talked about my schedule?"
Me: "Well, cr*p. Come on, let's go hunt down somebody who can tell us the answer."
The tragic part of all this is, if it comes up again, I no longer remember the question or the answer, so I'll need to find another person for help yet again. I'm told, however, that this happens a lot with us all.
Fortunately, the student laughed when I said, "Well, cr*p." At my last school, there would have been a complaint to the department chair about inappropriate language.
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Unfortunately, I think conjugate gives good advice.
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« Reply #2105 on: November 28, 2009, 10:09:43 PM » |
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Fortunately, the student laughed when I said, "Well, cr*p." At my last school, there would have been a complaint to the department chair about inappropriate language.
I used the expression "SOL" (fortunately, just the letters) the other day in class. My kids laughed as well. Hope I don't find out on evals that someone was mortally offended, but kept quiet. |
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« Reply #2106 on: November 30, 2009, 11:38:27 AM » |
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I've been writing up students for plagiarism. You know, it is just somehow demoralizing to have a grown man ask/beg for leniency on this. I don't know how many times I repeated the refrain, "I can't do that because it wouldn't be fair to the other students."
*sigh*
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« Reply #2107 on: December 02, 2009, 06:43:37 PM » |
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I started a new thread, but probably just should have posted this here: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5765673I thought it was fun as hell making this. With more wine, perhaps I will make more. |
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Welcome to college, motherf*cker.
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« Reply #2108 on: December 02, 2009, 07:00:05 PM » |
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I love it. I had no idea you had such huge hands. |
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« Reply #2109 on: December 02, 2009, 07:07:25 PM » |
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Student comes to my office to discuss his midterm exam (read: point grubbing):
Student: See this answer? (He points to one answer in his blue book where he receives the equivalent to a C.) I answered the question.
Me: But your answer doesn't fully answer the question. You would need to have written at least 2-3 more sentences explaining the concept.
Student: But I say that "....." (He reads answer out loud. Clearly I must be blind or dumb.)
Me: Yes, but you don't explain "...(what he's missing)," which is key to understanding and articulating the concept.
Student: But you KNEW what I was thinking!
(Wha?)
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« Reply #2110 on: December 02, 2009, 07:10:33 PM » |
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prof_smartypants , tres cool! Now I have something else to waste time on. |
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« Reply #2111 on: December 02, 2009, 07:52:52 PM » |
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I love it. I had no idea you had such huge hands. Awesome conversation... I love it. |
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« Reply #2112 on: December 02, 2009, 08:12:13 PM » |
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I love it. I had no idea you had such huge hands. Awesome conversation... I love it. Very cool! "Extra credit" was also fun. I may have to play around with that website. |
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« Reply #2113 on: December 03, 2009, 12:24:41 PM » |
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I have 2 favorite conversations to share, this first happened 5 minutes ago. The term ends in 1 week:
student sent me an email about 'making up missed work due to a death in the family'. She even offered to supply documentation. Her name was not familiar to me, so I looked her up... she has not completed anything at all for the entire semester. Not one. Nothing. Nada.
She asked me to call her. So I did.
me: I have reviewed your progress, and it appears that you have not submitted anything for this class all term, I do not see any way for you to possibly complete the needed work in 1 week.
clueless student: but you can let me try right?
me: (as gently as I can) no, I am sorry, but I cannot
CS: why not? I really want to pass!
me: because you have not completed anything at all, and I can't open every quiz, and take every assignment in the last week of the term. You won't have a good grasp of the subject matter. It would be better for you to retake the course next semester, when you can concentrate on school.
CS: but I want to try!
me: No.
CS: (defeated)alright
Seriously? she thinks she can do ALL the work in 1 week? And understand it?
just. no. I should mention that she was also talking to someone else during the entire conversation... kid? Dog? no idea.
This other happened at midterm, and I am already gearing up for the fight over her final...
Student missed a proctored midterm exam (online course, with proctored midterm and final at the home school) She never even scheduled an exam time. She missed the exam, never had it scheduled. After she AND her husband called me, I called the student back...
me: you can't take the midterm because... (cites many reasons, including the many announcements and emails about the exam)
CS: but I didn't get the emails, because I didn't know there was email in the course!
me: well, even if that is the case, it was an announcement on the course entry page, and in the materials when you signed up for the course.
CS: my husband was in the hospital!
me: so you scheduled an exam and had to miss it? With documentation, in that situation, I can make arrangements
CS: no I didn't know what 'proctored' meant
me: hmmmm, well you had 4 weeks to look it up. I am sorry you can't make up the exam.
This was followed by the same conversation with her husband... and he threatened to have her mommy call me too... cause Mommy works at the CC.
Can't WAIT for the final!
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The suspense is killing me! Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue ...
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« Reply #2114 on: December 03, 2009, 01:42:39 PM » |
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The end of the term is near (thank goodness!), but this of course means the negotiations have started.
Entitled Student: Can I take the exam on <later in the week> instead of the scheduled time?
DE: Why?
ES: Well, I think I have another exam on the scheduled day.
DE: Check your schedule so you know for sure. (The college has a policy of letting students reschedule if they have three finals on the same day.)
Later-
ES: I found that I don't have a final on <scheduled day>, but I have one <day before> and another <the day before that). I wanted to find out if I can still reschedule it because any extra time to study should help.
DE: (who seriously doubts that) I don't think I can do that. It's not fair to the others.
ES: But why not?
DE: (who also notes that this conversation took place when class was to begin, even though I had been in my office for the previous hour for scheduled office hours) We need to go to class. We'll discuss this later.
I am dreading later. BTW, a good number of other people came by in the last five minutes of office hours, not giving me enough time to really help answer their questions. Is there a reason people wait for everything until the last minute? I now surrender my title of "Horrible Procrastinator" because they procrastinate so much more than I ever did.
In another final exam frustration, I have, once again, had the same person who has bothered me about having note cards for exams/quizzes ask if they could have note cards for the final. I am ready to skewer this person for bringing up this topic repeatedly after I've said no...many times. How many times does it take for "no" to mean "no?" The student in question is not a child, so I am sure hu has heard "no" in the past. Apparently some people never think it applies to them.
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