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« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2008, 12:17:42 PM » |
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This at the end of class from a student who was signed up to present the previous class day, when he did not attend. The student has not passed a single assignment to date and wants to meet with me tomorrow.
Me: Since I let class out about 10 minutes early, would you like to meet now instead of tomorrow?
Student: No, I have class now, but I have been working on my presentation and would have really liked to give it today.
Me: ...
Student: My computer got fried at the beginning of the semester and I have been using my roommate's computer and he has Microsoft Works, which has something like Powerpoint, but I didn't save it right, so I couldn't give my presentation today. I can't give it Tuesday because I am going out of town...
Me: Perhaps we should talk about this during our meeting tomorrow. (In my mind: You know, the one were I will point out just how miserably you are failing this class).
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« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2008, 04:19:37 PM » |
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I have a standard policy about making up tests -- generally I want documentation from a valid/verifiable source or you can't make it up. We can discuss alternate arrangements if you come in advance.
I had a student come into class the day after a test
him: I missed your test.
me: Yes, you did.
him: Can I make it up?
me: Depends. Why did you miss the test?
him: I had to go in for questioning.
me: Questioning?
him: Yea - the cops wanted to talk to me.
me: What did they want to talk to you about.
him: They think I beat a guy to death.
pause...
me: Okay, then. So, when did you want to take that makeup?
(He was really big and pretty scary. I recall that he disappeared a short time later - I guessed that he did it and got locked up!)
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« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2008, 06:56:47 PM » |
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I have a standard policy about making up tests -- generally I want documentation from a valid/verifiable source or you can't make it up. We can discuss alternate arrangements if you come in advance.
I had a student come into class the day after a test
him: I missed your test.
me: Yes, you did.
him: Can I make it up?
me: Depends. Why did you miss the test?
him: I had to go in for questioning.
me: Questioning?
him: Yea - the cops wanted to talk to me.
me: What did they want to talk to you about.
him: They think I beat a guy to death.
pause...
me: Okay, then. So, when did you want to take that makeup?
(He was really big and pretty scary. I recall that he disappeared a short time later - I guessed that he did it and got locked up!)
Oh! A new joke. "When does a really big and pretty scary student who was recently questioned about the possibility of beating someone to death get to take a makeup exam? Whenever s/he wants to take it." Alan |
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« Reply #138 on: November 20, 2008, 09:33:34 PM » |
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it warmed my heart to see other students take up the cause of THINKING. Go students! Although I felt happy for you, on consideration, it chills my heart that expectations have sunk to the point that "thought" is considered something unusual. |
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« Reply #139 on: November 22, 2008, 09:28:17 AM » |
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Overheard (stood and laughed)
Background - we are striking the last show of the term, we have to completly clear the theatre for some work that will be done in the space over the break. We have one day to get a huge set, all the seating platforms, etc out. Many intro students show up because they have failed to get any time in for their lab hours and this is their last chance.
Technical Director - Next, take down the curtains, XX will show you how to fold them.
Clueless Intro Student - Why?
TD - Why what? (FYI - TD is not known for his patience with anyone)
CIS - why do we have to take the curtains down?
TD - We are clearing the theatre.
CIS - If this was a broadway theatre you wouldn't have to take the curtains down.
TD - Its not a broadway theatre.
CIS - well you should work in it like it is.
TD - We would still take down the curtains.
CIS - Its a waste of time.
this conversation continues with the student following the TD around and questioning why the curtains needed to folded a certain way, complaining about having to move the seating units, and finally asking the TD if he has ever worked in a professional theatre. He has.
TD - Have you?
CIS - No, but my high school director worked on broadway as a dancer and we never had to do this crap when we struck a show.
TD - OUT!
CIS - what?
TD - Out. you are done. You do not need to be here.
CIS - I need lab hours! This is the last chance. You can't do that.
TD - Out now. Leave. You are wasting my time. (grabs timesheet from ATD, scribbles student's name on it and time, signs it, hands to student.)
CIS - What?
TD - I can and I will tell you to leave. Here is a life lesson. In a strike you do what you are told to do. You are now being told to leave, do it.
Lesson - don't mess with a TD ever, but especially on strike days.
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« Reply #140 on: November 22, 2008, 10:08:00 AM » |
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Yay! Good for him!
Of course, clueless intro student will now go complain to the instructor, who should be warned to laugh in student's face.
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« Reply #141 on: November 22, 2008, 06:39:45 PM » |
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Yay! Good for him!
Of course, clueless intro student will now go complain to the instructor, who should be warned to laugh in student's face.
Not to be a wet blanket, but could the TD get in any kind of trouble for forcing a student who was not engaging in academic dishonesty not to finish an assignment? I mean, obviously the TD shouldn't get in trouble in an ideal world, but I wouldn't laugh too loudly. |
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« Reply #142 on: November 22, 2008, 07:33:51 PM » |
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It doesn't seem that the TD forced him not to do the assignment; the student wasn't actually doing the assignment anyway, just hanging around in the way and not following directions.
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« Reply #143 on: November 22, 2008, 08:48:27 PM » |
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It doesn't seem that the TD forced him not to do the assignment; the student wasn't actually doing the assignment anyway, just hanging around in the way and not following directions.
Yes. You know this is true, I know this is true, and so on. But I'm simply concerned for TD that, if this is a campus where admins see themselves as customer service managers, TD's action could be seen in the same way as simply grabbing a student's exam for no reason, halfway through the hour, and making the student leave. |
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« Reply #144 on: November 22, 2008, 10:19:05 PM » |
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Clearly a freshperson.
Student had choice. Student, for whatever reason, choose not to complete work in a timely manner (such as doing crew work during build). Student choose to come to strike and then to behave like a butthead. Student is also disrespecting the chain of command in a place where dangerous things can and do happen. Student was flapping gums, not actually doing any work. It was well within the professional AND academic expectations of the TD to tell the student to leave.
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« Reply #145 on: November 23, 2008, 03:30:54 AM » |
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Clearly a freshperson.
Student had choice. Student, for whatever reason, choose not to complete work in a timely manner (such as doing crew work during build). Student choose to come to strike and then to behave like a butthead. Student is also disrespecting the chain of command in a place where dangerous things can and do happen. Student was flapping gums, not actually doing any work. It was well within the professional AND academic expectations of the TD to tell the student to leave.
This kind of behavior is limited to freshpeeps on your campus? |
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« Reply #146 on: November 23, 2008, 03:58:16 AM » |
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This thread is scaring me off from a future in teaching.
Before you give it up and become an anchorite or whatever, remember that we are complaining about the worst and most egregious cases. Each of us finds this kind of student in about one in, oh, fifty or more? It can be a challenge, but the rewards from bringing the other 49 or so to the point where they can see what they need to do, and sometimes do it, is worth it. |
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« Reply #147 on: November 23, 2008, 05:00:39 AM » |
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Ooh, I have one!
As a TA, I went to proctor the first exam for a class of 54 students. I didn't recognize one man so I went up to him and said, "This is the exam for Chemical Engineering Thermo. Are you sure you're in the right room?"
Student: Yes. I'm here to take that test.
Me: Second semester thermo with Dr. X?
Student: Yes, that's the one.
So I ask him his name. He says it and yes, that name is on my roster, but he hasn't turned in any homework assignments.
Me: I don't recognize your face and you haven't turned in any homework assignments.
CS: That's correct. I have another class that meets at the same time and a lab that meets during both recitation periods, so I just read the book. It seems like it's common sense, anyway, so I skipped the homework.
Me: Are you really sure you want to take this test? I don't think reading the book alone with no homework, no example problems from recitation, and no lecture is a good idea. Perhaps you want to withdraw from the class instead.
CS: No, no. I want to take the test. I can do it.
When I handed out the tests, I gave him one. He read it, looked thoughtfully into the air, and started doing origami with his scratch paper. As I checked on him through the exam, he would look into the air, do another fold on the scratch paper, and then write something on the test.
When I declared "Time's up. Hand them over", he walked over to the front table where I was sitting, put his test on the pile, and gave me a big wink as he presented me with an origami swan.
As one might expect, he failed that test miserably. Of course, he didn't know that until he showed up at the next test when I asked "You failed the last one. Are you really sure you want to take this one instead of withdrawing?" Well, I got another origami critter and he got another failure. He did not show up for the final.
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« Reply #148 on: November 23, 2008, 09:58:18 AM » |
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He did not show up for the final.
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« Reply #149 on: November 23, 2008, 10:19:22 AM » |
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TD - Out now. Leave. You are wasting my time. (grabs timesheet from ATD, scribbles student's name on it and time, signs it, hands to student.)
CIS - What?
TD - I can and I will tell you to leave. Here is a life lesson. In a strike you do what you are told to do. You are now being told to leave, do it.
Lesson - don't mess with a TD ever, but especially on strike days.
Wait, did the TD just give the student the hours for free to just to get rid of the weenie or kick the student out and deny hu any hours at all? I have no problem with either one, but I just gotta know the full story. :) Untenured |
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