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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2008, 03:25:38 PM » |
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Madeline Albright's secret weapon was the fact that her husband was independently wealthy and therefore she had a lot more assistance and childcare help while writing her dissertation than others do.
I just want to clarify, that this is not me. Although if Madeleine called, I'd be happy to help her. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2008, 03:31:16 PM » |
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After all, what would be wrong with NSF/NIH grants (or universities) providing a few extra dollars to help the researcher pay for (or bring along) childcare? If the research is worth funding, the funding should ensure that the researcher has all the support needed to complete the work.
I'm LOL at that. Sorry, Renji. Read the terms of what grants cover. They are not even supposed to cover the entire cost of your research! I know these grants do not cover these expenses now. But, why shouldn't they cover childcare in the future? Rules can change. BTW, my grants currently cover 100% of my research costs. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2008, 10:15:31 AM » |
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I've been thinking a lot about this thread/article recently (and I agree with everything lotsoquestions has written.) The article presents the research these women do as presenting tremendous problems for those with small children, but I can actually see how that type of field work would make it much easier to bring children along with you. (I have an image of myself walking through security at the Library of Congress, daughter in a carrier on my back....)
I'm fortunate that the (UK) funding bodies that support my research are very good about providing money to help balance research/family. I know one that will pay for childcare (over and above normal childcare costs.) An application that requested the cost of 4 two-week research trips, over 1 eight-week trip, due to having small children to care for, would not be disadvantaged. If anything, they are eager to help women who had had children to get back into their research.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 10:19:30 AM » |
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I've been thinking a lot about this thread/article recently (and I agree with everything lotsoquestions has written.) The article presents the research these women do as presenting tremendous problems for those with small children, but I can actually see how that type of field work would make it much easier to bring children along with you. (I have an image of myself walking through security at the Library of Congress, daughter in a carrier on my back....)
I'm fortunate that the (UK) funding bodies that support my research are very good about providing money to help balance research/family. I know one that will pay for childcare (over and above normal childcare costs.) An application that requested the cost of 4 two-week research trips, over 1 eight-week trip, due to having small children to care for, would not be disadvantaged. If anything, they are eager to help women who had had children to get back into their research.
I also know fathers with children who have been able to spread out trips like this. It's fantastic. |
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2008, 10:31:00 AM » |
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And don't forget that Madeline Albright was also the Mother of all crimes committed in Serbia, including spraying the land with depleted Uranium. Serbian children with horrible birth defects will remember this.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 10:51:58 AM » |
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And don't forget that Madeline Albright was also the Mother of all crimes committed in Serbia, including spraying the land with depleted Uranium. Serbian children with horrible birth defects will remember this.
Well, that settles that then. See what happens when you empower women? Case closed, thread ended. |
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2008, 08:34:33 AM » |
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johnr: ...See what happens when you empower women?... Clearly, when you "empower" somebody, anybody, you create a monster and an empowered monster. To "empower" means to give power to someone who would not have it otherwise. It is based on theory that some unjustly are deprived of power. But, how these some are chosen? They are simply members of a statistically defined category. And it so happens, always happens, that 1) the statistics itself is a fraud written by the dishonest people from that same category and 2) individuals chosen to undergo the "empowerment" are the most active scoundrels from this category. No, my comment does not condemn "women". It condemns the "empowerment" and it shows that treating people in categories is a nonsense at best, but in most cases it results in creating monsters. Russians say that sh*t always floats on the top. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2008, 08:41:42 AM » |
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johnr: ...See what happens when you empower women?... Clearly, when you "empower" somebody, anybody, you create a monster and an empowered monster. To "empower" means to give power to someone who would not have it otherwise. It is based on theory that some unjustly are deprived of power. But, how these some are chosen? They are simply members of a statistically defined category. And it so happens, always happens, that 1) the statistics itself is a fraud written by the dishonest people from that same category and 2) individuals chosen to undergo the "empowerment" are the most active scoundrels from this category. No, my comment does not condemn "women". It condemns the "empowerment" and it shows that treating people in categories is a nonsense at best, but in most cases it results in creating monsters. Russians say that sh*t always floats on the top. You're right! No one should have power! Then everything will be perfect. The End. |
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2008, 11:36:53 AM » |
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I appreciated the article. I had both my children in college (last one in grad school) so that I would be done having kids and they would be school age by the time my job's flexibility decreased. However, I got 1 week off after my dd was born (by c-section no less) - and then I had to edit and revise 2 R01s for submission and several manuscripts. <sigh> I remember hauling kids into the office - for a while I even had a monitor in the lab in case I had to be in there with the baby in the office until she was old enough for day care. On the flip side, I came in half-time until she was 5 months old and was able to come in at 10 a.m. until she was about 9 months (that would have been hard to pull now). My situation with the youngest was a bit ridiculous (time off would have been appreciated) - that said - it is really, really refreshing to hear about women who made it work w/o sacrificing motherhood or career. Too often I hear that women either have babies or make tenure but not both. Well, I want both - and I want to do both well. So, reading success stories with no apologies or whining is fantastic IMHO.
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2008, 01:53:07 PM » |
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secretweapon: You're right! No one should have power! Then everything will be perfect. The End. I say differently. I say: if want power in academia, show me your product, not your sex. And so it should be everywhere else. |
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