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infopri
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« Reply #150 on: September 07, 2008, 06:16:39 PM »

1) Picked my nose.
2) Paid my taxes.
3) Masturbated.

Wow.

You didn't believe this, did you?
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« Reply #151 on: September 07, 2008, 06:33:21 PM »

1. Been to the Grand Canyon
2. Watched a whole episode of Law & Order, CSI, or any other contemporary procedural
3. Voted for a winning candidate in a presidential election
4. Heard NPR (not by design--there are extenuating circumstances here)
5. Read any Tolkien beyond the first few chapters of The Hobbit when I was twelve or so, which was enough to turn me off permanently
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« Reply #152 on: September 07, 2008, 07:05:59 PM »

1. I've never finished any of the Bronte books.

2. I've never bought a new car.

3. I've never seen any episode of Buffy the Vampire Killer or Twin Peaks or any daytime soap.

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« Reply #153 on: September 07, 2008, 07:30:49 PM »

Who says you don't learn about your fellow professionals on these fora?

Apparently, I'm one of the very few who not only doesn't use different colored chalk or markers on the board during class, but don't even know why anyone would use different colors.

I'm feeling very monochromatic.
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« Reply #154 on: September 07, 2008, 07:41:09 PM »

Who says you don't learn about your fellow professionals on these fora?

Apparently, I'm one of the very few who not only doesn't use different colored chalk or markers on the board during class, but don't even know why anyone would use different colors.

I'm feeling very monochromatic.

The colors help in drawing graphs, say a Cartesian plane (XY chart) or a supply and demand chart in econ.  "Here is the original line in blue.  Now something happens (or we change part of an equation) and it shifts to the line in red."

BTW, how do you get to be a preacher without being baptized?  BTW BTW, Sarah P. was baptized a Catholic, then the parents joined a Protestant church and got re-baptized.  What's with that?  JP, maybe you can count her extra one as the one you never had.

I've never been to LA.  Planned to go there, spend a few days, leaving from San Diego, but they had an earthquake (MLK Day) that I was supposed to go.

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« Reply #155 on: September 07, 2008, 07:43:51 PM »

I've never:
1. seen The Sound of Music
2. traveled to Africa or Asia
3.  played raquetball or squash
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« Reply #156 on: September 07, 2008, 08:16:15 PM »

BTW BTW, Sarah P. was baptized a Catholic, then the parents joined a Protestant church and got re-baptized.

A lot of protestant Christian denominations practice baptism by immersion. Folks who join who have not been previously immersed usually get baptized "again" in the fashion of that denomination.  Of course, I had friend who'd been sprinkled by her minister grandfather in one church. As an adult, when she joined another church, they expected her to get baptized again in their way, immersion. She asked what was wrong with the way her grandfather did it. And they said they wanted to do it the same way Jesus was baptized. She said fine, if you want to baptize me in the river, let's do it, but Jesus wasn't baptized in a baptistry. She got her way and they went down to the river.

octoprof, who's been dunked in the River Jordan (the water was really cold!)
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« Reply #157 on: September 07, 2008, 08:21:06 PM »

BTW, how do you get to be a preacher without being baptized?  BTW BTW, Sarah P. was baptized a Catholic, then the parents joined a Protestant church and got re-baptized.  What's with that?  JP, maybe you can count her extra one as the one you never had.


Palin's case isn't that uncommon.  Many evangelical churches would require someone baptized as a Catholic to be rebaptized.  Particularly holiness churches or Baptist communities (Baptists would push for anyone not baptized as an adult to be immersed.  They don't recognize infant baptisms as legitimate since the infant, they argue, could not willfully and personally accept Jesus as Messiah).

For my case: its a funny story.

My dad was raised Roman Catholic (though he was Jewish; his dad "converted" but they were nominal catholics.  I never saw my grandfather go to mass).  Shortly after marrying my mom (a protestant), he "converted" to protestantism.  He was very insistant, though, against having any kids baptized.  

About 5 or so years before I was born, they both left to join a Baptist community.  They were baptized.

When my sisters got older (around 13), they were too.

I was a bit of a hellion.  Plus, the religion in my childhood home had an icky sort of child abuse thang to it (I've posted about some of it before).

Summer after my last year of high school (about 6 months after my mom's diagnosis with a fatal cancer) I had my own "conversion experience" at a youth retreat thing.  It was a baptist group.  I prayed Jesus into my heart and all that (no great mystery here as to what was happening psychologically.  Late adolescence, dying - and formerly abusive - mother, soon to leave home, blahblahblah.  Really, it was like shooting fish in a barrel).

So I was "saved."

I was going to get baptized at a service about 3 weeks later at my home church, but mom got sicker and we had to postpone (we thought she'd recover; we wanted her to be there).

Long story short(er), I left for college without the baptism.  When I got to college-town, I immediately went to "place my membership" with a local congregation.  They asked me if I had been "saved," and I said "you bet" and told them all about what Jesus had done to/for/in me.  I had a letter from my former pastor saying something to the effect of "he's a good egg; he loves the Lord."  I volunteered for the inner city ministry and they put me to work. They simply didn't ask any more questions.  Quite the contrary, they were thrilled to sponsor me for seminary by my senior year.

My "witness" (Rebelious hellion turned sunday school teacher and inner city evangelist because of God's Spirit falling on him while he coped with his dying/dead mother) seemed to cover any doubts.

I was at seminary for two years and into my field-work with a big congregation as a ministry intern before it ever came up again.  The professors and the dean all decided "well, you prayed for Jesus, and that's what counts" and that having a public baptism would be both silly and "demoralizing."  They were pretty liberal.  There was brief talk of a "private baptism" with just a few from the clergy-staff, but that never happened.  Next thing you know, it was ordination time.  Ordination boards are not often liberal.  But, oddly (and simply), again, no one asked (I guess they just assumed).

Never been baptized.  Seminary.  Ordination.  5 years ministry (with weddings and funerals and all that).

Back to the thread.
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« Reply #158 on: September 07, 2008, 08:24:31 PM »

Also, some Protestant groups consider Catholic baptisms invalid, because they were done under the terms of consent by godparents as proxies, rather than by active consent of the baptized.

Just FYI.

On preview - john proctor's response is much better.

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« Reply #159 on: September 07, 2008, 08:37:50 PM »



octoprof, who's been dunked in the River Jordan (the water was really cold!)

Well, thank God, then, for the milk and honey on the other side.

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« Reply #160 on: September 07, 2008, 08:47:26 PM »

A lot of Protestant Holiness churches still emphasize "Spirit Baptism" as more important than water baptism.  It's not unheard of (though rare) to have members who've never been baptized in water (or who've been baptized four or five times).

Southern (geographical) Southern (denominational) Baptist congregations often have a great deal of overlap with holiness churches and traditions culturally (though not, I grant, in formal doctrinal terms).

20 years ago, the Southern Baptist Convention was just kind of an "advisory" group.  Congregations made all the final choices about community doctrine and ordination/installation of clergy.  My "ordination" board was nothing more formal than the church board of my first congregation (where I was named Associate Pastor and Director of Religious Education).

Lots got through.

I must admit, though, I've only heard of one other "ordained" baptist minister who was never "water baptized" before ordination (he's since been).

That's one of the reasons why the SBC is now so heavy handed.

None of the communities I was ever a part of would be recognized broadly or historically as "orthodox" in a good many practices and beliefs.
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« Reply #161 on: September 07, 2008, 09:33:32 PM »


JP, thanks for the explanations.  IIRC, the Catholic Church does not typically require converts from Protestant churches to be re-baptized, believing that baptism occurs just once in a Christian's life.  (Which is why Sarah's re-baptism struck me as odd.)

.......


We could graph some of this.....

Maybe we can use blue chalk for the first baptism, green for the second, red for the third, yellow for the fourth, and so on.  Another use for colored chalk!



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« Reply #162 on: September 07, 2008, 09:37:45 PM »

It was like the wild west of ecclesiology in them days.



I've never used a graph in a lecture.

Color or otherwise
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« Reply #163 on: September 08, 2008, 09:41:20 AM »

1.  I have never watched Friends, Seinfeld, Lost, or Survivor.

2.  I have never read Jane Austen.

3.  I have never had the occasion to change a tire.
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« Reply #164 on: September 08, 2008, 09:44:11 AM »

5. Read any Tolkien beyond the first few chapters of The Hobbit when I was twelve or so, which was enough to turn me off permanently

Whew.  I thought I was the only one.
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