galactic_hedgehog
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« Reply #165 on: July 21, 2008, 02:05:49 PM » |
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I just had CNN on and they're running a teaser for a piece on Anderson Cooper's show tonight: Obama and the Muslim Myth. "Why do some Americans still believe Barack Obama was raised, or is a Muslim, despite overwhelming evidence that it just isn’t true?" "Evidence"? It makes him sound like Bigfoot.
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« Reply #166 on: July 21, 2008, 02:09:02 PM » |
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I was surprised to learn that the New Yorker has a circulation of over a million. But I wonder how many of them are outside of a 100-mile radius from NYC.
The vast majority. THeir second-biggest market in the US is in California. Even with a million readers, this is a pretty inconsequential issue, mostly media-created, and weirdly fuelled by the candidates themselves. I thought Jon Stewart's skewering of the media on this was perfect. Me, too. Thanks for the link. |
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« Reply #167 on: July 21, 2008, 02:14:12 PM » |
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For those who see it in passing, say on Fox news or in the MSN, they will probably think 'That's weird' and hear some negative commentary about how unfunny/racist/dumb the image was. Does this really hurt Obama? I don't think so. It says 'Obama is NOT a secret Muslim and his wife is not a terrorist.' I think I'm just repeating GH here.
I think it does. The satire is too complex. People viewing the cover and not reading the article will have the image reinforced in their minds about Obama's faith and his wife's beliefs. IMHO, it is the subconscious that makes voting decisions in political campaigns. And the subconscious is not terribly interested in complexity. A admit you may be right, untenured. I hope not. I hope not either. Understanding the cover's meaning requires multiple mental steps: 1) knowing who Barack Obama is, 2) recognizing him on a magazine cover, 3) recognizing his wife on a magazine cover, 4) following the news enough to know about spurious references in the media for Obama, 5) knowing about his wife's alleged 'militantism', 6) comprehending the concept of satire, 7) applying that concept to a magazine cover without prompting, and 8) understanding the cartoonists message. How many million Americans can manage those eight steps? Folks are gullible. I bet that if you took two randomly selected focused groups and showed them the exact same advertising about Obama, but one ad called him Barack Obama and the other referred to him as Barack Hussein Obama, the latter group would have more negative opinions of the Obama than the former. If the GOP wants to win, they've got to scare white folks into thinking he's not one of them. How do you do that? Forget issues and whatnot. Just say his full name over and over. Barack Hussein Obama. Barack Hussein Obama. Barack HUSSEIN OBAMA. Even better, call him Mr. Hussein Obama. If that name does not sound like an evil terrorist to you, I don't know what does. John McCain, that's a wholesome cowboy name. An F-150 name. Barack Hussein Obama. A scary name. Sounds like Saddam Hussein. Sounds like Osama bin Laden. Just play that card over and over. Repitition makes truth, and it would sway voters. Now I'll just sit back and wait for the McCain campaign to call me as their strategist. :) Untenured |
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« Reply #168 on: July 21, 2008, 02:37:24 PM » |
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I just had CNN on and they're running a teaser for a piece on Anderson Cooper's show tonight: Obama and the Muslim Myth. "Why do some Americans still believe Barack Obama was raised, or is a Muslim, despite overwhelming evidence that it just isn’t true?" "Evidence"? It makes him sound like Bigfoot.
This is the stuff that will harm Obama's candidacy. Put Obama and Muslim in the same sentence enough, and an association is created. Untenured |
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« Reply #169 on: July 21, 2008, 03:23:36 PM » |
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"Why do some Americans still believe Barack Obama was raised, or is a Muslim, despite overwhelming evidence that it just isn’t true?" Because many Americans are dumber than a sack of hammers...and they still get to vote. |
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« Reply #170 on: July 22, 2008, 04:53:52 AM » |
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...but they mostly don't bother to.
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« Reply #171 on: July 22, 2008, 09:57:17 AM » |
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I think it's safe to say that New York is no longer New York. It used to synonymous with sophistication. Then the NY Times started cutting staff and hiring middle-brow college grads, with a resultant flow of illiteracies and boners. The New Yorker dumbed down in turn when what's her name came aboard. The publishing houses are merging, closing down the more intellectual imprints. Public radio and TV is going private, the big broadcast media are modelling themselves on the grocery store checkout line tabloids. In the world of plastic arts, all one has to do is think of artists whose names start with B or S to appreciate the decline in that corner.
The New Yorker cover probably began as an idea for YouTube, where it might have become marginally funny with actors dressed up clicking fists and some appropriate dialogue. Then someone said to the cartoonist over a beer, "Dude--why not make it New Yorker cover instead?"
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« Reply #172 on: July 22, 2008, 10:26:18 AM » |
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I think it's safe to say that New York is no longer New York. It used to [be] synonymous with sophistication. You mean, like, back when Boss Tweed ran the place? |
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« Reply #173 on: July 22, 2008, 11:40:33 AM » |
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I think it's safe to say that New York is no longer New York. It used to synonymous with sophistication. Was that the Sex and the City New York? |
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« Reply #174 on: July 22, 2008, 12:03:50 PM » |
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I think it's safe to say that New York is no longer New York. It used to synonymous with sophistication. Or perhaps you mean the Ed Koch years? |
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« Reply #175 on: July 22, 2008, 02:35:32 PM » |
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The 1930s and '40s, certainly; the Algonquin Round Table was about as sophisticated as you got in those days.
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galactic_hedgehog
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« Reply #176 on: July 22, 2008, 08:23:29 PM » |
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The 1930s and '40s, certainly; the Algonquin Round Table was about as sophisticated as you got in those days.
Nowadays, it's us. |
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