farm_boy
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« on: July 15, 2008, 08:29:32 AM » |
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Could someone please explain to me what happened to satire? Did people suddenly stop recognizing it?
Everyone is offended. Especially Obama supporters.
I don't get it. Do people actually think the New Yorker was attacking Obama, or... what??
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expatinuk
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 08:49:01 AM » |
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Most people do not recognize satire.
I thought it was funny as hell.
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It is what it is.
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baka_janai
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 08:57:55 AM » |
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As great political cartoons go, this was not one of them. It's lacking a visual link to the conservative mind that it supposedly is making fun of.
That and it's just crappy cartooning.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 09:15:23 AM » |
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Initially, I thought it was funny. But then I wondered why they do not do a cover of John McCain in
diapers... or suffering Alzheimers... or something. I think that would be too risky. While I do support
Obama and the New Yorker, I can understand the family's anger. Satire is one thing, "convenient" satire
is another animal. This satire plays off stereotypes of Angela Davis, Muslims and fear of Blacks in general.
It was too easy to do and lifted that fear too much into the consciousness. And that undermines the satire.
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vortex
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 09:15:49 AM » |
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Satire should present such an absurd image that nobody could possibly believe it. The problem with the cartoon is that it's not absurd enough.
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sad_goat
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 09:19:43 AM » |
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Rolling Stone magazine did a feature on McCain a few issues ago. The cartoon at the head of the article was full color, showed McCain trapped inside a bamboo cage, dressed like a POW, and looking enraged. Around the cage were three asians laughing and taunting him.
Is that funny?
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 09:22:30 AM » |
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I'm not offended by it, because I can see that it was an attempt at satire. The problem is it's just not that funny. I think vortex and baka_janai are on the right track: There are people out there--and not so far out there either--who freakin' believe this crap, which makes it less funny and more scary. In addition, there does seem to be something missing, as baka said, some kind of link to or parody of the absurd thinking that would produce this belief.
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farm_boy
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 09:29:25 AM » |
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Are the people who are offended by this cartoon the same people who think _Huckleberry Finn_ is a racist novel?
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 09:29:53 AM » |
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I don't get it. Do people actually think the New Yorker was attacking Obama, or... what??
There are too many people in the US who actually believe that's a true family portrait of the Obamas. The cartoon didn't do enough to mark itself as satire (and what's the point of a satire that very very few people get?) and just assumed that people would understand. (Crowie just beat me to the post....) |
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vortex
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 09:37:55 AM » |
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I don't get it. Do people actually think the New Yorker was attacking Obama, or... what??
... The cartoon didn't do enough to mark itself as satire (and what's the point of a satire that very very few people get?) and just assumed that people would understand. (Crowie just beat me to the post....) Since when did The New Yorker ever care if people understand their cartoons? (See appropriate Seinfeld episode.) |
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farm_boy
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 09:41:41 AM » |
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"There are too many people in the US who actually believe that's a true family portrait of the Obamas."
Is our educational system really that bad??
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 09:47:43 AM » |
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The New Yorker has done great, topical, sometimes controversial, and timely covers before that were spot on (eg. The hasidic Jewish man kissing the black woman in the wake of the Crown Heights riot, the first cover after 9/11/01) but I don't think this one is going to go down in history as one of the greats.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 09:54:06 AM » |
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"There are too many people in the US who actually believe that's a true family portrait of the Obamas."
Is our educational system really that bad??
Yes, for about 8 years now. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 09:55:55 AM » |
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But then I wondered why they do not do a cover of John McCain in diapers... or suffering Alzheimers...
My first question on seeing the cover was what are they going to do next week? I am seeing McCain in his bedroom with a senile expression and a walker, dressed in old guy pajamas (with the wrong buttons buttoned), an open box of Depends next to him and his teeth in a glass on the table, some empty bottles of Viagra next to that. Cindy is in bed in with a negligee over her obviously cosmetically enhanced boobs and a disappointed expression on her face. On the other side of the bed is a teleprompter displaying "HEY BABE YOU ARE LOOKING SEXY TONIGHT" but McCain can't seem to focus on the words. The New Yorker could totally redeem itself. |
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