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« Reply #150 on: July 18, 2008, 04:40:03 PM » |
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Also, keep in mind that the finance prof who makes 133K can double or triple his or her salary by working outside of academia. At least, that's what they tell the school when negotiating their salary. As an interesting factoid, according to stateuniversity.com the average full-time faculty salary at Walden is $56,769 ($84,718 male / $38,758 female). - DvF I'm shocked.....Thats really not bad keeping in mind that you get free travel, meals and lodging, and they pay you to rent office space in your house. lol Faculty, especially full-time, must spend a certain amount of time in Minneapolis per month.... for a single person... this could be a dream job. I'm assuming that the lower range is in education or human services and the higher salaries are in the School of Management... since that's where most of the men are. Thanks for the info. |
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« Reply #151 on: July 18, 2008, 04:41:08 PM » |
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As an interesting factoid, according to stateuniversity.com the average full-time faculty salary at Walden is $56,769 ($84,718 male / $38,758 female). - DvF
Wow! This difference caught my eye; is it a difference in assistant vs. full? Does anyone know if there are graduate satisfaction studies of this sort of degree program (or of any PhD programs, for that matter)? i know of some calls of proposals for this type of study... but i'm not really sure if something already exists. check with the sloan consortium. |
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« Reply #152 on: July 18, 2008, 04:53:36 PM » |
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As an interesting factoid, according to stateuniversity.com the average full-time faculty salary at Walden is $56,769 ($84,718 male / $38,758 female). - DvF
Wow! This difference caught my eye; is it a difference in assistant vs. full? Me too. The numbers are an across-the-board average. I looked for a breakdown by sex in the NEA Almanac salary list, but couldn't find Walden in there at all. My guess would be that women predominate in the education faculty, and men in the business faculty at this school. - DvF |
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« Reply #153 on: July 18, 2008, 05:02:08 PM » |
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As an interesting factoid, according to stateuniversity.com the average full-time faculty salary at Walden is $56,769 ($84,718 male / $38,758 female). - DvF
Wow! This difference caught my eye; is it a difference in assistant vs. full? My guess is that it's a difference of part-time vs. full-time, i.e., an unusually large proportion of Walden's female faculty teach only part-time, which pulls down the average female salary. But that's just a guess. It would be interesting to see the M/F ratio of the faculty, and the part-time/full-time ratio as well. |
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« Reply #154 on: July 18, 2008, 05:27:40 PM » |
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Slipdisco has left the building. The last post on 13 July said that Slipdisco had to decide between Capella and Walden. We are left in suspense.... I will keep checking back to see if slipdisco has made a decision. Has nomad left the building, too? |
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« Reply #155 on: July 18, 2008, 05:34:21 PM » |
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As an interesting factoid, according to stateuniversity.com the average full-time faculty salary at Walden is $56,769 ($84,718 male / $38,758 female). - DvF
Wow! This difference caught my eye; is it a difference in assistant vs. full? My guess is that it's a difference of part-time vs. full-time, i.e., an unusually large proportion of Walden's female faculty teach only part-time, which pulls down the average female salary. But that's just a guess. It would be interesting to see the M/F ratio of the faculty, and the part-time/full-time ratio as well. The number was for full-time only (it says so right there in the bit you quoted). The website gives the number of full time faculty as 29 male and 45 female. - DvF |
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« Reply #156 on: July 18, 2008, 05:58:49 PM » |
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Faculty, especially full-time, must spend a certain amount of time in Minneapolis per month.... for a single person... this could be a dream job.
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« Reply #157 on: July 18, 2008, 06:06:18 PM » |
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Faculty, especially full-time, must spend a certain amount of time in Minneapolis per month.... for a single person... this could be a dream job.
Except, perhaps, the Minneapolis part. :-) Zharkov... you might like it... I loved going up there for the summer residency.... Minneapolis is a beautiful place. You can catch you a couple of plays at the Guthrie... very eclectic town. |
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I will keep checking back to see if slipdisco has made a decision. Has nomad left the building, too?
No, Nomad has returned. A comment about those who choose Capella and Walden over traditional programs. I was almost a Capella student. I am in my 40s. I have two children, one special needs, I have a family and I had a job. I have a husband who has a career. I just didn't think I could add a traditional PhD program on top of that. It was an incorrect assumption on my part. I started to look around. Because I am in education, the majority of my fellow students are full time employees. The majority of programs are are aimed at older students who work. I did not know this when I looked into Capella. Once I learned this I made the decision to go to a brick and mortar. Once I made that choice I made a bigger effort to find way to finance my education. I found both a scholarship and fellowship which allowed me to stop working. This allowed me to spend more time at school. Now I can actually attend like a traditional student. I can concentrate on research instead of work. Kids are in school so I have a lot more time then I assumed I would. For working adults, especially returning woman, the idea of attending a traditional program is daunting. I have spoken to others who still feel as I felt. There is always a voice inside that says "you are neglecting your children" or "you will never succeed at your age". There is something nice about the anonymity and freedom that goes with an online program. Now that I know that there are options out there I would never recommend a FP doctoral program, specifically an online program, to anyone who has access to a local program. But not everyone has access. I am in a very large metropolitan area which has several well known R1 universities (both public and private). Most of these universities have part time doctoral programs for education. There are also several smaller private (not for profit) programs in my area. I do have the advantage of location. There are plenty of people who are non traditional students who do not have the advantage of location. Online programs are the only option. Walden and Capella advertise. Not for profits do not. This makes the FP come to mind when thinking of online programs. I have a good friend who is a teacher in Vegas. She wanted to go back to school to get the PhD. She decided on Walden. When I told her that there were non profits available she was shocked. She had no idea. She has completely changed her tune. Anyway this long post should make up for my lack of participation in this thread today. |
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« Reply #159 on: July 18, 2008, 07:12:36 PM » |
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Can you tell that TrueScholar and I have done online programs? Our posts are longer then the typical post.
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« Reply #160 on: July 18, 2008, 07:52:52 PM » |
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The difference between $88K and $133K isn't "slight."
This is the issue with communication in this forum.... people half read. I quoted an actual for new hires. Charles quoted an average overall.... which includes new and old hands......Do you see the difference? No my reading was very accurate. You chose the word "slight" to describe the difference between assistant/associate salaries and full professor salaries in business, in answer to Charlese. Here: (Charlese wrote) TrueScholar, you are being disingenuous and you are datamining. The $133K salary you cite is for finance PhDs hired at the full professor level. Coincidentally, I'm sure, it also happens to be the largest number in the table. The average for finance full profs was $111K. For 2000-2001, newly hired finance Asst Profs averaged $88.6K. New doctorates hired at the Asst Prof level averaged $91.2K.
You answered Perhaps you should reread my post before you try to check me on it. I put for "new hire" and professor. I also wrote that assoc and assit professors made slightly less. It would also be wise to read how Zharkov and I chatted briefly how he had a friend who was in place for a while but made less... the comparison went into new hires and how faculty can push their overall income by doing other things.
Your original statement also described the difference as "slight."
And no, most business profs don't make $145K. I'd expect the AACSB average for all disciplines, all schools, to be less than 100K, and probably in the 80s. (Based just on people I know.)
According to the AACSB... in 2001 alone, the average salary for finance faculty was $133K. Accounting was $115. This is "new hire" data and at the professor level. Of course associate prof and assist prof are slightly lower. In 2006 these went up about another 2 percent. At Jackson State University, the dean makes $225..... her salary is subsidized by private funds as is many other faculty salaries. Those of us who make $45,000 to $55,000 as our total annual salary do not regard a difference between salaries of $45,000 as "slight" (133K to 88K). The difference of $25,000 between $88K and $113K isn't "slight" either. I'm just offering a difference in perspective from the unwashed but genteel poor. That's all. No other point intended. Go back to ripping nomad's "little dissertaton" to shreds. By the way, truescholar, do you teach tap dancing? I could use some lessons. |
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« Reply #161 on: July 18, 2008, 08:20:07 PM » |
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I have a good friend who is a teacher in Vegas. She wanted to go back to school to get the PhD. She decided on Walden. Did you also tell her that the University of Nevada Las Vegas is in town, offers part-time PhD programs, and is significantly cheaper than any online university? They also offer some of their graduate school courses online each semester. I taught in Vegas. Walden and Capella are not the only options for graduate school. I don't think I could even afford them, especially considering my $38,000 teachers' salary was low enough to garner free tuition at UNLV. |
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« Reply #162 on: July 18, 2008, 10:28:02 PM » |
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I have a good friend who is a teacher in Vegas. She wanted to go back to school to get the PhD. She decided on Walden. Did you also tell her that the University of Nevada Las Vegas is in town, offers part-time PhD programs, and is significantly cheaper than any online university? They also offer some of their graduate school courses online each semester. I taught in Vegas. Walden and Capella are not the only options for graduate school. I don't think I could even afford them, especially considering my $38,000 teachers' salary was low enough to garner free tuition at UNLV. Prescott College in Arizona also has a Ph.D. in education (Educational Sustainability) program with a low residencey requirement. http://www.prescott.edu/academics/phd/index.html I have a few colleagues who are doing this program. Tuition is up there though. |
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I have a good friend who is a teacher in Vegas. She wanted to go back to school to get the PhD. She decided on Walden. Did you also tell her that the University of Nevada Las Vegas is in town, offers part-time PhD programs, and is significantly cheaper than any online university? They also offer some of their graduate school courses online each semester. I taught in Vegas. Walden and Capella are not the only options for graduate school. I don't think I could even afford them, especially considering my $38,000 teachers' salary was low enough to garner free tuition at UNLV. Well that is bazaar. She considered the high tuition of Walden over something local and cheaper? I wonder what was going through her head or if she thought that doing an online program would be easier. Now I have an excuse to call and say hi. Thanks for the info. |
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Prescott College in Arizona also has a Ph.D. in education (Educational Sustainability) program with a low residencey requirement. http://www.prescott.edu/academics/phd/index.html I have a few colleagues who are doing this program. Tuition is up there though. Well that is a different and interesting program. I have never head of sustainability in education or educational sustainability. |
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