Capella and Walden Universities

[truescholar601]

Perhaps you shoud review the post that I made stating that his experience and credentials made him a prime candidate for the job? This is what made him both professionally and academically qualified according to the AACSB's standards.

So then we can both agree.  The Walden Ph.D. really had nothing to do with Dr. M obtaining the job at Sacred Heart.

Untenured

Him having a Ph.D. made him academically qualified for this position. At an AACSB accredited business school... it's a must. So no, we do not agree this his Walden Ph.D. did not play a role in him getting this position.

[untenured]

Perhaps you shoud review the post that I made stating that his experience and credentials made him a prime candidate for the job? This is what made him both professionally and academically qualified according to the AACSB's standards.

So then we can both agree.  The Walden Ph.D. really had nothing to do with Dr. M obtaining the job at Sacred Heart.

Untenured

Him having a Ph.D. made him academically qualified for this position. At an AACSB accredited business school... it's a must. So no, we do not agree this his Walden Ph.D. did not play a role in him getting this position.

That's fine.  We agree then that the Walden degree played a role as a ticket punch.  Need a piece of paper?  Go to Walden.

Untenured

[truescholar601]

That's fine.  We agree then that the Walden degree played a role as a ticket punch.  Need a piece of paper?  Go to Walden.

Untenured
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Hahahahahaha. That's funny. You can call it whatever you want. Sometimes that's all people are looking for and sometimes that is all some people need to get ahead. But I can tell you this- Dr. M. put in the work and you can look at his dissertation to show that he knows how to do perform research. And his "ticket punch" got him an excellent appointment at an AACSB accredited business school.

As for a "ticket punch" one of my neighbor's kids used their family's connection to attend Yale and didn't learn a thing majoring in Lesbian and Gay studies.  LETS BE SERIOUS... talking about a ticket punch. They then used that same "ticket punch" to go to Dartmouth to get a master's degree in Liberal Studies. Now they're trying to "find themself" by sitting in coffee shops pondering the meaning of life while sipping on organic green tea.

Him having a Ph.D. made Dr. M academically qualified for this appointment. At an AACSB accredited business school... it's a must. So no, we do not agree this his Walden Ph.D. did not play a role in him getting this position.

[scheherazade]

It's not the same kind of work.

My God, you really can't quite get it, can you?  Of course, I guess if you've never spent any time in a regular program, you can't possibly understand the rigor of a traditional program.  A regular program would make you curl into a fetal position and cry.

And that is why traditional programs won't hire Walden PhDs, especially at R1s to supervise grad students.

[truescholar601]

It's not the same kind of work.

My God, you really can't quite get it, can you?  Of course, I guess if you've never spent any time in a regular program, you can't possibly understand the rigor of a traditional program.  A regular program would make you curl into a fetal position and cry.

And that is why traditional programs won't hire Walden PhDs, especially at R1s to supervise grad students.

Of course I get it. I've had it all along. You're just upset because I don't agree with you.

There's this talk again about R1s. I don't care about R1s. The R2s seem to be the most supportive to work for and personally I prefer the liberal arts environment. These institutions offer good students who show plenty of academic promise that also fulfill my desire to help them learn and succeed. Smaller class sizes and plenty of available funding for me to do what I need to do. So that's all that matters to me.

You working for an R1 does not make you a better individual or scholar.

This past spring I had lunch with a dean from Brown. This lunch was very interesting because I found "my friend" to be really down to earth. "My friend" confided a lot in me... which let me know that working for an R1 is not all it's cracked up to be. I don't live at the favor of others. I live at the favor of myself and God.

As for my credentials, I have four degrees and working on a 5th one: two earned from AACSB accredited business schools, one from an ACBSP accredited business school. I am currently enrolled in a liberal studies program online at UNC. Some may call me a professional student but I simply have a desire to network and learn. Other than UNC and Walden, all of my degrees are from traditional programs. All of these degrees are from regionally accredited institutions.

As odd as it may seem, my traditional academic foundation is what led me to learn by other methods. These methods work well for me... especially with my busy life. But again, I'm simply doing what I want to do and it works..... especially since I'm only 32 years old.

By the time I "arrive" most of you will be either retired or dead. The ill feelings you have toward nontraditional education and WU will be buried or cremated with your remains. Or perhaps like one of my former deans who plans to be intumbed in a building she recently had named after her...... She has worked at the institution now for almost 60 years. She walks the halls in a very frigid manner in house slippers, a pants suit, and a cain. She can barely sign her own name. But the university insists on keeping her around out of respect. So sad.

Regardless of the institution, I support anyone trying to learn and be progressive.

[untenured]

Him having a Ph.D. made Dr. M academically qualified for this appointment.

If that's all it did, then it sounds like a ticket ... oh never mind.

Untenured

[litcrittr82]

As for a "ticket punch" one of my neighbor's kids used their family's connection to attend Yale and didn't learn a thing majoring in Lesbian and Gay studies.  LETS BE SERIOUS... talking about a ticket punch. They then used that same "ticket punch" to go to Dartmouth to get a master's degree in Liberal Studies. Now they're trying to "find themself" by sitting in coffee shops pondering the meaning of life while sipping on organic green tea.

Fine by me if you want to defend Walden U, but you shouldn't have to rag on other schools and courses of study to do so.  It's clear that you're operating on nothing but baseless assumptions and stereotypes re. the value of LGBT studies and liberal studies, and what these students learn.  For someone looking to challenge common (and potentially untrue?) assumptions about online PhD programs, your use of tired cliches ('finding oneself' in the coffee shop) really works against you.  Just because someone has a non-vocational course of study doesn't mean they're by definition 'not learning a thing,' particularly at a place like Yale.  And as for liberal studies: I know many from the Dartmouth program, and I can point to more than a handful with significant accomplishments in the arts and academia, ranging from winning a MacArthur Foundation 'genius' grant to publishing novels at major presses to earning admission to top 10 PhD programs in the humanities.  

[truescholar601]

Him having a Ph.D. made Dr. M academically qualified for this appointment.

If that's all it did, then it sounds like a ticket ... oh never mind.

Untenured

If you look at it... most degrees are "tickets" to progress. Without this "ticket" many would be stalled in their quest to get ahead.

[scheherazade]

Such melodramatic prose..."By the time I "arrive" most of you will be either retired or dead. The ill feelings you have toward nontraditional education and WU will be buried or cremated with your remains."  How old do you think we are?  I'm only a couple years older than you.

Five degrees by age 32?  You're not an academic; you are a professional student.  You don't have a clue.  In all your degrees you haven't yet learned to present an argument or analyze the responses (you're the one that brought up R1s; we were addressing your argument).  They've also learned to spell - "cain"?  Come on.  And no one is impressed you had lunch with a dean from Brown.  Name-dropping - and doing it badly - will impress no one.

You go ahead and support whomever you like.  Most people in academia support those who can think, research, and earn respect.  Given the corpus of your posts, you haven't made it there.  I have no idea what programs you've attended (and I don't want to know), but they certainly didn't do you any favors.

[truescholar601]

As for a "ticket punch" one of my neighbor's kids used their family's connection to attend Yale and didn't learn a thing majoring in Lesbian and Gay studies.  LETS BE SERIOUS... talking about a ticket punch. They then used that same "ticket punch" to go to Dartmouth to get a master's degree in Liberal Studies. Now they're trying to "find themself" by sitting in coffee shops pondering the meaning of life while sipping on organic green tea.

Fine by me if you want to defend Walden U, but you shouldn't have to rag on other schools and courses of study to do so.  It's clear that you're operating on nothing but baseless assumptions and stereotypes re. the value of LGBT studies and liberal studies, and what these students learn.  For someone looking to challenge common (and potentially untrue?) assumptions about online PhD programs, your use of tired cliches ('finding oneself' in the coffee shop) really works against you.  Just because someone has a non-vocational course of study doesn't mean they're by definition 'not learning a thing,' particularly at a place like Yale.  And as for liberal studies: I know many from the Dartmouth program, and I can point to more than a handful with significant accomplishments in the arts and academia, ranging from winning a MacArthur Foundation 'genius' grant to publishing novels at major presses to earning admission to top 10 PhD programs in the humanities.  

Well all of you have been rendering your opinions.... I'm just rendering mine.

[truescholar601]

Such melodramatic prose..."By the time I "arrive" most of you will be either retired or dead. The ill feelings you have toward nontraditional education and WU will be buried or cremated with your remains."  How old do you think we are?  I'm only a couple years older than you.

Five degrees by age 32?  You're not an academic; you are a professional student.  You don't have a clue.  In all your degrees you haven't yet learned to present an argument or analyze the responses (you're the one that brought up R1s; we were addressing your argument).  They've also learned to spell - "cain"?  Come on.  And no one is impressed you had lunch with a dean from Brown.  Name-dropping - and doing it badly - will impress no one.

You go ahead and support whomever you like.  Most people in academia support those who can think, research, and earn respect.  Given the corpus of your posts, you haven't made it there.  I have no idea what programs you've attended (and I don't want to know), but they certainly didn't do you any favors.

Call me what you wish. Your "washed" thinking just tells me you're a slave for a dried up advisor. And no, someone else mentioned R1s before I did.

[dr_dre]

Many posters on this site are quite young. Your arrogance will prevent you from engaging in any meaningful dialogue here. Any soft spot I might have had for online education or Walden has closed as I read your words. You do your cause no favors.

[truescholar601]

Many posters on this site are quite young. Your arrogance will prevent you from engaging in any meaningful dialogue here. Any soft spot I might have had for online education or Walden has closed as I read your words. You do your cause no favors.

The level of arrogance I have is similar to the level of elitism you all are trying to push on this board. And other than Slipdisco's initial post, much of the dialogue on this board has been bias and baseless. All I'm doing is bringing a different side of the story to a bunch of traditionalists who consider themselves elite in academia. But you all get upset when I make my point.

Everyone does not except the truth. And I suppose that is normal when academics are trained to question the truth.

[scheherazade]

Perhaps you should do a bit more questioning.  And most of us don't consider ourselves elite.  Some of us are proponents of distance education.  You seem to be the one that cannot accept the truth.

I suggest you go to another board that will be more receptive to your arguments (read: suckers).

[aandsdean]

Many posters on this site are quite young. Your arrogance will prevent you from engaging in any meaningful dialogue here. Any soft spot I might have had for online education or Walden has closed as I read your words. You do your cause no favors.

The level of arrogance I have is similar to the level of elitism you all are trying to push on this board. And other than Slipdisco's initial post, much of the dialogue on this board has been bias and baseless. All I'm doing is bringing a different side of the story to a bunch of traditionalists who consider themselves elite in academia. But you all get upset when I make my point.

Everyone does not except the truth. And I suppose that is normal when academics are trained to question the truth.

biased
accept

The issue is not online education (I work for a university that has a large, successful, and good online program), but the for-profit nature of Walden and Capella.  They are corporations for the benefit of stockholders, and nothing can change that short of their conversion to 501(c)3 status, which we'll see long after even the 32-year-olds among us are dead.