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[scheherazade]

When you wrote your thesis for Walden, did you refuse to cite your sources and tell your committee that you weren't going to do their work for them?

Such a scholar.

[truescholar601]

When you wrote your thesis for Walden, did you refuse to cite your sources and tell your committee that you weren't going to do their work for them?

Such a scholar.

That was not my committee's job. What I want you to do is go through ProQuest and pull a plagiarized or uncited dissertation from Walden University.

[octoprof]

Many non-profit institutions are switching to for profit or are being bought out by for profit organizations because they simply cannot make it in this economy. With a growing number of nontraditional students, many smaller institutions cannot afford the necessary infrastructure to pull these students in. Academia is a business and institutions need financial support or they won't last. Just as much, many nonprofits adopt a for profit model of management and operation.

Examples? Many examples, please?

I obtained this information from reading The Chronicle. You're a subscriber?

You need a new moniker. You are clearly not a scholar. If you say there are examples, then you should back your statements up with examples.

Not true.
Not a scholar.
Not sure about the 601 thing...

o. (for the record, I am not an octopus).

No. I'm also an educator who doesn't believe in doing other people's work for them. I am not under peer review. I subscribe to The Chronicle just like everyone else on this board. I actually read mine from front to back. It gives me inspiration for more topics to put in the pipeline.

I have not stated anything that you cannot find by flipping through the last couple of months of this publication.

Clearly, you aren't enough of a scholar to know what's going on around you. Not all the folks on the board are subscribers. In fact, I suspect the majority are probably not subscribers. One doesn't have to be a subsciber to CHE to post on the forum.  Pay attention.

I don't know what pipelines you are trying to fill, but none of them are well researched, apparently, or well-written.

Most of us, when we make claims or state supposed facts on the forum, follow them up with examples, or related links. I'm really surprised your scholarly education hasn't taught you to do that, as well.

Since you have not yet provided a single example of non-profit university going for-profit, much less the many examples you claim, we all assume you have no such many examples as you haven't managed to produce them.

Back up your statements with examples and verifiable facts, it's the true scholarly way.

[truescholar601]

Many non-profit institutions are switching to for profit or are being bought out by for profit organizations because they simply cannot make it in this economy. With a growing number of nontraditional students, many smaller institutions cannot afford the necessary infrastructure to pull these students in. Academia is a business and institutions need financial support or they won't last. Just as much, many nonprofits adopt a for profit model of management and operation.

Examples? Many examples, please?

I obtained this information from reading The Chronicle. You're a subscriber?

You need a new moniker. You are clearly not a scholar. If you say there are examples, then you should back your statements up with examples.

Not true.
Not a scholar.
Not sure about the 601 thing...

o. (for the record, I am not an octopus).

No. I'm also an educator who doesn't believe in doing other people's work for them. I am not under peer review. I subscribe to The Chronicle just like everyone else on this board. I actually read mine from front to back. It gives me inspiration for more topics to put in the pipeline.

I have not stated anything that you cannot find by flipping through the last couple of months of this publication.

Clearly, you aren't enough of a scholar to know what's going on around you. Not all the folks on the board are subscribers. In fact, I suspect the majority are probably not subscribers. One doesn't have to be a subsciber to CHE to post on the forum.  Pay attention.

I don't know what pipelines you are trying to fill, but none of them are well researched, apparently, or well-written.

Most of us, when we make claims or state supposed facts on the forum, follow them up with examples, or related links. I'm really surprised your scholarly education hasn't taught you to do that, as well.

Since you have not yet provided a single example of non-profit university going for-profit, much less the many examples you claim, we all assume you have no such many examples as you haven't managed to produce them.

Back up your statements with examples and verifiable facts, it's the true scholarly way.

In that case, I simply suggest that everyone purchases a subscription. That is the best way to be informed. I guess now you all are going to assume that I work for The Chronicle's sales department?

[larryc]

I think this thread has gone from a robust debate to a sad public display of mental illness. I am out of here.

[prytania3]

I think he got his higher ed papers mixed up.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/12/14/nonprofit

[scheherazade]

Yes, certainly there aren't any other reliable sources of information aside from the Chronicle.

A scholar supports his/her arguments with actual evidence.  S/he does not make an unsupported statement and then demand that others go do the legwork.  What you are saying is that you feel it is true, and you don't want to be bothered checking your facts; therefore, you will make the statement and expect others to do your work for you.

[untenured]

I just wanted to point out, truescholar, that if you want to represent your point of view in all this, you'd be better served by being less critical of 'traditional' institutions and less hyperbolic about the value of online education.  There are plenty of good reasons and circumstances for pursuing an online degree, given certain career goals.  But it's not exactly elitist or reactionary to suggest that an online degree is a major disadvantage for anyone seeking a tenure track appointment at a 'traditional' school.  People with Ivy League PhDs have enough difficulty finding the jobs they want in some disciplines.  And, btw, I'm not an old fogey; I'm younger than you by the better part of a decade.

Exactly.  Folks arent trashing Walden.  People are expressing the harsh realities of academic life.  Online Ph.D.'s don't get the same respect as traditional programs for acquiring tenure-track jobs.  All of us may disagree, but this is the state of the market.  Applicants would do well to choose a traditional program all else equal.

We've heard accusations of elitism, name dropping, discussions of when we are all dead, and attacking programs of study.  Gawsh, why do you think folks are getting less and less sympathetic as time passes?

When did you get your Ph.D. from Walden?

Untenured

[untenured]

...and ... Walden is expensive!  Geepers, you ain't gonna get no free ride there like you can at traditional Ph.D. programs.  (Links are provided in my earlier post)

So why, oh why, would someone want to go there who could get into a traditional program that provides significant or total tuition remission?

Untenured

[truescholar601]

Just sharing Community News from the June 2008 issue of the Walden Ponder. Feel free to read the rest of the publication.

http://ponder.waldenu.edu/c/11468_25379.htm

[scheherazade]

What does that have to do with Walden alumni landing TT jobs?

[untenured]

In that case, I simply suggest that everyone purchases a subscription. That is the best way to be informed. I guess now you all are going to assume that I work for The Chronicle's sales department?

Enough already.  Will you just provide the darned link to the Chronicle article to support your statement that "many" universities are going for profit?

Untenured

[octoprof]

Don't apply logic where logic does not apply.

[untenured]

Just sharing Community News from the June 2008 issue of the Walden Ponder. Feel free to read the rest of the publication.

http://ponder.waldenu.edu/c/11468_25379.htm

We hope that some of the faculty's efforts are being published in good journals.

Anyway, we await your link.

Untenured

[untenured]

Don't apply logic where logic does not apply.

*sigh*  Yeah I know.

Someone from Walden should shut this guy up tho.  Whoo.

Untenured