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« Reply #10155 on: November 27, 2009, 12:36:02 PM » |
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Define ignorance.
Rejecting out of hand the overwhelming empirical data and evidence for an established scientific fact (for example that the earth is roundish) would be a very good starting point for such a definition. It's not *my* empirical data. It's other people's empirical data. It'not even a question of rejection. It's more about not believing and not disbelieving. |
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Clowns, I tell you. Clowns.
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qrypt
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« Reply #10156 on: November 27, 2009, 01:00:50 PM » |
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Define ignorance.
Rejecting out of hand the overwhelming empirical data and evidence for an established scientific fact (for example that the earth is roundish) would be a very good starting point for such a definition. It's not *my* empirical data. It's other people's empirical data. It'not even a question of rejection. It's more about not believing and not disbelieving. Hell, I don't even believe in evolution.
I'm trying, and almost succeeding, to reconcile these latter two posts. To put your more general point differently: most of us (we who are not biologists in some way) "believe in" evolution in the sense that we accept the authority of those who know the data well enough to accept it *without* having to rely on someone else's authority. Okay, fine. But usually there are good reasons to accept scientific claims even if one does so on the basis of someone else's authority. To reject it, or even to remain agnostic, in this instance, I think one would have to have some pretty damn good reasons. I'm unfamiliar with reasons of this sort. |
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"I'm tired of being your love slave!"
"Does that mean I'm not going to get my coffee?"
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« Reply #10157 on: November 27, 2009, 01:03:46 PM » |
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Define ignorance.
Rejecting out of hand the overwhelming empirical data and evidence for an established scientific fact (for example that the earth is roundish) would be a very good starting point for such a definition. It's not *my* empirical data. It's other people's empirical data. It'not even a question of rejection. It's more about not believing and not disbelieving. The overwhelming majority of data that you or anyone uses to construct your world is "other people's empircale data". |
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
O, what a hateful feminist concoction!
Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts --Pyshnov
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« Reply #10158 on: November 27, 2009, 01:05:28 PM » |
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Define ignorance.
Rejecting out of hand the overwhelming empirical data and evidence for an established scientific fact (for example that the earth is roundish) would be a very good starting point for such a definition. It's not *my* empirical data. It's other people's empirical data. It'not even a question of rejection. It's more about not believing and not disbelieving. The overwhelming majority of data that you or anyone uses to construct your world is "other people's empircale data". I am continuing this on a different thread because this isn't the appropriate place for this discussion. |
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Clowns, I tell you. Clowns.
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sad_goat
Nothin' but love for ya
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« Reply #10159 on: November 27, 2009, 02:33:13 PM » |
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Arrogant, condescending, insecure, obnoxious zealot.
And, a fool to boot. I hope you reap what you have sown, in spades.
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In other words, it is a moral and philosophical question, not a question of details.
...it is proper to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties. - James Madison |
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« Reply #10160 on: November 27, 2009, 02:37:43 PM » |
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Arrogant, condescending, insecure, obnoxious zealot.
Thanks, I do my best. And, a fool to boot. I hope you reap what you have sown, in spades.
But that's just mean! |
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Wet Blanket will find success. The spreadsheet is the way...
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« Reply #10161 on: November 27, 2009, 02:40:50 PM » |
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We're toward a trainwreck that doesn't need to happen.
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« Reply #10162 on: November 27, 2009, 02:41:50 PM » |
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[I take a day off and see that *you* obviously had no place to go and are, as always, bitter about it]:
Get down off the cross, someone else needs the wood.
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voxprincipalis
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« Reply #10163 on: November 27, 2009, 02:58:54 PM » |
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[unrelated to BTR]
Right back atcha. Pot, kettle.
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If you need me, I'll be hiding under a rock until mid-August. Try not to need me, unless you come bearing Chinese food.
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qrypt
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« Reply #10164 on: November 27, 2009, 04:23:29 PM » |
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What VP said.
Actually, though, it's more a badge of honor, as far as I'm concerned.
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"I'm tired of being your love slave!"
"Does that mean I'm not going to get my coffee?"
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sad_goat
Nothin' but love for ya
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« Reply #10165 on: November 27, 2009, 04:42:18 PM » |
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Arrogant, condescending, insecure, obnoxious zealot.
Thanks, I do my best. And, a fool to boot. I hope you reap what you have sown, in spades.
But that's just mean! LOL, and no, not yinz. Thanks for the laugh. |
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In other words, it is a moral and philosophical question, not a question of details.
...it is proper to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties. - James Madison |
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rowan1
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na na na na, na na na na , hey hey hey, goodbye
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« Reply #10166 on: November 27, 2009, 05:12:18 PM » |
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not related to any of the previous posts (as far as I can tell)
I find I cannot even post something because your constant judgemental crap just leaves me speechless. Anything I could say would be something I don't believe should be said to people no matter how odious they are.
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The time is out of joint—O cursèd spite,
That ever I was born to set it right!
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« Reply #10167 on: November 27, 2009, 06:03:48 PM » |
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"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
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Every educated person's not a plumb greenhorn. "where whining mendeth nothing, wherefore whine?"--R.L. Stevenson +-LR is wise. Listen.
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« Reply #10168 on: November 27, 2009, 10:26:09 PM » |
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[unrelated to BTR]
Right back atcha. Pot, kettle.
VP
The irony is pretty exquisite. I do hope that the classroom persona is nothing like the fora persona. |
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« Reply #10169 on: November 27, 2009, 11:42:57 PM » |
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The irony is pretty exquisite. I do hope that the classroom persona is nothing like the fora persona.
Sadly, I strongly suspect that's not the case. I enjoy lurking on that thread . . . just because I refuse to feed the trolls doesn't mean I can't occasionally laugh at them. |
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