Israeli History at 60 - falsified
pyshnov:
Amazingly, the article ("Israeli History at 60" by CARLIN ROMANO
http://chronicle.com/free/v54/i36/36b00601.htm) which pretends to give us a scholarly analysis, is considering the history of the State of Israel from the 1948 war. It should, of course, have started telling the history from the point when it actually started - from the "creation" of the State of Israel. Then, the 1948 war would look quite differently, not as a war started by Arab states against a righteous and legitimate state, but as war started by Arabs in defending their land, their homes and their lives. So, the article is just another attempt to exclude the central event of this history in the outrageous falsification of history providing a "scholarly" support of Israel.
sciencephd:
We've heard it all before.
kmellendorf:
I agree with "sciencephd". If you look back far enough into history, you can usually find some point where a specific claim regarding land possession falls apart. Who "owns" a piece of land is a matter of current opinion. Native Americans lived in Illinois long before the the United States existed. Should we give back Chicago? Such arguments always have and quite possibly always will exist. There is no definite legal principle by which we can know who owns it. Who's to say what the "correct" time is for the statue of limitations regarding this debate? If you look deep enough, land possession is usually works out to be a matter of opinion.
If a person wants to rely on religious arguments, even they cannot say who is right. Under the model within the Old Testament, Jews are supposed to eventually get back the land often called Isreal. In the same model, Arabs are supposed to have it for quite some time before the transfer. Who are we to say exactly when this transfer is "supposed to" occur? If the time is not yet, it should still belong to the Arabs. If the time has arrived, it should belong to the Jews. There is no way to tell when that time actually is.
If you want to resolve the situation, either propose a reason to end the conflict or let them wipe themselves out.
pyshnov:
kmellendorf,
Napoleon and Hitler just tried to "look deep enough", thinking that they can do impossible and get away with it. But, notice please that their neighbours, (and in the case with Israel, the Palestinians too), answered immediately.
For Israel, there is no reason to end the "conflict". They just kill more and more. The only reason to end the "conflict" would be if the Arabs will get the Bomb. And even then, I doubt they will withdraw: the raison d'etre for Israel is the Cult of Israel; leaders of cults are known to sacrifice the lives of cult members including their own lives.
The only thing that I can propose is to look at the history of XX century when Jews took the leadership of two cults, communist cult and nationalist cult. Over hundred million people perished for nothing; I don't think the Jews actually gained anything either. I think more people hate Jews now than ever before. But, cult members cannot see it, they only see illusions, insane images of Kings of Israel and the like nonsense.
sciencephd:
It's all a big conspiracy.
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