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[pyshnov]

Amazingly, the article ("Israeli History at 60" by CARLIN ROMANO
http://chronicle.com/free/v54/i36/36b00601.htm) which pretends to give us a scholarly analysis, is considering the history of the State of Israel from the 1948 war. It should, of course, have started telling the history from the point when it actually started - from the "creation" of the State of Israel. Then, the 1948 war would look quite differently, not as a war started by Arab states against a righteous and legitimate state, but as war started by Arabs in defending their land, their homes and their lives. So, the article is just another attempt to exclude the central event of this history in the outrageous falsification of history providing a "scholarly" support of Israel.

[sciencephd]

We've heard it all before.

[kmellendorf]

I agree with "sciencephd".  If you look back far enough into history, you can usually find some point where a specific claim regarding land possession falls apart.  Who "owns" a piece of land is a matter of current opinion.  Native Americans lived in Illinois long before the the United States existed.  Should we give back Chicago?  Such arguments always have and quite possibly always will exist.  There is no definite legal principle by which we can know who owns it.  Who's to say what the "correct" time is for the statue of limitations regarding this debate?  If you look deep enough, land possession is usually works out to be a matter of opinion.

If a person wants to rely on religious arguments, even they cannot say who is right.  Under the model within the Old Testament, Jews are supposed to eventually get back the land often called Isreal.  In the same model, Arabs are supposed to have it for quite some time before the transfer.  Who are we to say exactly when this transfer is "supposed to" occur?  If the time is not yet, it should still belong to the Arabs.  If the time has arrived, it should belong to the Jews.  There is no way to tell when that time actually is.

If you want to resolve the situation, either propose a reason to end the conflict or let them wipe themselves out.

[pyshnov]

kmellendorf,
Napoleon and Hitler just tried to "look deep enough", thinking that they can do impossible and get away with it. But, notice please that their neighbours, (and in the case with Israel, the Palestinians too), answered immediately.
For Israel, there is no reason to end the "conflict". They just kill more and more. The only reason to end the "conflict" would be if the Arabs will get the Bomb. And even then, I doubt they will withdraw: the raison d'etre for Israel is the Cult of Israel; leaders of cults are known to sacrifice the lives of cult members including their own lives.

The only thing that I can propose is to look at the history of XX century when Jews took the leadership of two cults, communist cult and nationalist cult. Over hundred million people perished for nothing; I don't think the Jews actually gained anything either. I think more people hate Jews now than ever before. But, cult members cannot see it, they only see illusions, insane images of Kings of Israel and the like nonsense.

[sciencephd]

It's all a big conspiracy.

[mouseman]

It's all a big conspiracy.

Have you checked out Pyshnov's webpage?  He's a conspiracy nut.  His webpage is full of uplifting passages such as:
"And she, the Jewish female, brought the holocaust upon a scientist"

"Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts, all, unfortunately for me, had a representation in the figure of Professor Larsen, and saw their special interest in saving her. They acted as a mob. The cunning professor-criminal used political corruption in this society to stay out of jail."

"Jewish communist Alan Borovoy, the chief civil rights activist, said that his Association does not react to "individual cases"."

" Almost all the press and the television stations in Canada are owned by four Jewish families.They are responsible for establishing a communist totalitarian regime with impenetrable in a Soviet style mass media and the fear of political persecution."

Interestingly Pyshnov claims Jewish origin.  Not the first Jewish Anti-Semite, though.  I don't mean far left or far right Jews who dislike other Jews or the State of Israel.  I mean people like Samuel Roth (look him up).

[jonesey]

Napoleon and Hitler

Godwin's law in four posts.

A record, even for Mr. P.

[spork]

If one looks at the meeting of the Bolshevik high command at which the decision to launch the October coup was made, something like six of the twelve people at the meeting were Jewish; e.g., Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, maybe Radek.  Stalin was Georgian and Dzerzhinsky a non-Jewish Pole.

Also women had a strong influence on the regime in its early days, at least in St. Petersburg.  Krupskaya, Lenin's wife, and Kollontai, as head of the government's social services department, come to mind as examples.

[mouseman]

If one looks at the meeting of the Bolshevik high command at which the decision to launch the October coup was made, something like six of the twelve people at the meeting were Jewish; e.g., Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, maybe Radek.  Stalin was Georgian and Dzerzhinsky a non-Jewish Pole.

Also women had a strong influence on the regime in its early days, at least in St. Petersburg.  Krupskaya, Lenin's wife, and Kollontai, as head of the government's social services department, come to mind as examples.

Well, if you look at the Tsarist Regimes' history of raging antisemitism, it's hardly surprising that Jews were strongly attracted to Communism.  Of course, of those six Jews, how many survived, even before Stalin brought antisemitism back as official policy in Russia? 

[doctor_torrseal]

The only thing that I can propose is to look at the history of XX century when Jews took the leadership of two cults, communist cult and nationalist cult. Over hundred million people perished for nothing; I don't think the Jews actually gained anything either. I think more people hate Jews now than ever before. But, cult members cannot see it, they only see illusions, insane images of Kings of Israel and the like nonsense.

Comrade Pyshnov,

Please not to be forgetting our leadership of degenerate-relativist modern science cult and psychiatric cult, courtesy eminent cell leaders Einstein and Freud.  Proper citation is very important in academics, after all.

Vorwärts,
Dr. Torrseal

[spork]

The only thing that I can propose is to look at the history of XX century when Jews took the leadership of two cults, communist cult and nationalist cult. Over hundred million people perished for nothing; I don't think the Jews actually gained anything either. I think more people hate Jews now than ever before. But, cult members cannot see it, they only see illusions, insane images of Kings of Israel and the like nonsense.

Comrade Pyshnov,

Please not to be forgetting our leadership of degenerate-relativist modern science cult and psychiatric cult, courtesy eminent cell leaders Einstein and Freud.  Proper citation is very important in academics, after all.

Vorwärts,
Dr. Torrseal

But what about the Queen of England and Henry Kissinger?  What about them?

[jonesey]

But what about the Queen of England and Henry Kissinger?  What about them?

They're the same person.

[pyshnov]

Wow, and wow again! Need to answer.

The opposition started with sciencephd: conspiracy, but there is nothing done these days (and nights) which is not a conspiracy; simply, people get together to work on something unlawful.

Then, mouseman continued, in a usual way: kill that person from the other end, get his website, reveal to society how politically wrong he is. Although my web site is about the tragedy, he thinks if it's not "uplifting", it is no good. Well, I put there, in the end, the tragic facts of corruption supported by "groups". I don't play politics, I never do, I try to explain the facts.

Jonesey, I don't know what is "Godwin's law", but I guess it's one of the psychological discoveries made by yappies. I never read these books.

Spork, revolution was a Jewish affair, nobody denies this, but some think that since Jews were the citizens, the ethnic percentage doesn't matter. Interesting, in "The Russian Dagger", V. Cowles says that on his trial, Radek tried to give facts about how their group started WWI; he was interrupted by judge. Read Soljenitzin, "Lenin in Zurich".

Then, mouseman, not denying but confirming this fact of Jewish involvement, explains it by antisemitism. Partially, it is an explanation, but only partially. Why "Jews were strongly attracted to Communism" is more complicated. Important is that at this period the Faith was down to almost zero, both in Russians and Jews; and both peoples grabbed communism as a substitution for Faith. Jews, however, took it also as the way to national emancipation; this is still going on. Now it is also a way to oppose fascism, strange, but true.
I doubt that Stalin was anti-semite, he rather was just killing the Lenin's group in the party. His first wife was Jewish. Some say that his name Djugashvili means in Georgian: Djuga- Jew, shvili- son. The hell knows.

Then, doctor_torrseal goes: Comrade Pyshnov... etc. So much hate, I don't now who you hate really.

Spork, in the book "Jews" by a French author, long name, don't remember now, he says Queen has some Jewish blood. To me, such "research" looks ridiculous; I see Her on horse races, she loves horces and that tells me more (She has a fabulous collection of art, I don't know, degradation is everywhere).

In conclusion, if anyone thinks I am anti-Semitic, that's not so, not a bit. It's just this: if someone tells me that my words must be in line with my origin, that gets me mad. The most idiotic ideologies tried to get me interested; I defied them and proud of it.

[jonesey]

Jonesey, I don't know what is "Godwin's law", but I guess it's one of the psychological discoveries made by yappies. I never read these books.

Godwin's Law says that

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

[pyshnov]

Thanks, Jonesey. Still not interested, because it's no humour, but a fact.
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And was it just anti-Semitism in Old Russia? Or there were certain patterns of nasty behavior by Jews also? Secretary of Rasputin, Aron Simanovich, in his book relates how a terrible betrayal of sugar producer, Rabinovich, who sent during WWI a train with much needed sugar to Germany, was not punished: Tzarina loved jewellery and Simanovich had friends-jewellers; on that particular occasion she received something really good. Jews always felt free from obligations. Dubnov, in History of Jews, tells the story of how Napoleon wanted to give Jews equal rights. But, his aide said: "Your Majesty, but do you know that Jews refuse to serve in your army?".
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I remembered the name of the French author - Roger Peirefitte (might be wrong spelling).