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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2008, 08:20:33 AM » |
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Also how many of their staff is international? I would venture to say that all of their 3 "visible minorities" are in fact international (or at least foreign born, if there's a difference between the two?). So, did you put together this data by looking at people's pictures online? |
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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2008, 08:26:06 AM » |
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One must also consider the racial profile of the population of the area. I believe the state of MA has a very low percentage of minorities and it could be difficult to recruit minorities. We have this problem in our little town.
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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2008, 08:35:53 AM » |
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Let's not beat up on the OP too much. This is a forum thread and not a journal. Peeking at department pictures takes effort and so we have good enough information to work with.
The underlying question is relevant. Why? There could be good 'ol fashioned discrimination. Alternatively, and more likely, it could be that the BU-qualified labor market of minority applicants is quite small.
My field is not diverse, for example. Lots of white folks populate the campuses. I served on a search committee. If I was tasked to find a qualified minority candidate, it would have been extremely difficult to do so. Perhaps BU's department suffers from the same limitations.
Ultimately, we just don't know.
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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2008, 08:43:50 AM » |
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I'm sensing an axe to grind on the OP's part. Are you a minority who didn't get hired at BU, or somewhere similar, in the same field?
What's your beef with BU?
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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2008, 08:56:18 AM » |
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I'm sensing an axe to grind on the OP's part. Are you a minority who didn't get hired at BU, or somewhere similar, in the same field?
What's your beef with BU?
Yet another case of that ugly, rigid, stubborn, defensive kind of attitude that always tries to shift the blame and question the motives of the messenger, instead of confronting the particular message. Why are you "sensing" that I have an "axe to grind", and not BU? Why don't you try to ask what's their "beef" particularly when the field of mass media/journalism/writing is abundant with qualified minorities with a few years of professional experience (along their bachelor's or master's)? Leave me out of it, because I certainly did not came up with the >3 out of 69<. |
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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2008, 09:07:58 AM » |
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Sockgumbee, is that you? Perhaps if we change how we count the faculty members...
In any event, windchimes, your current mode of attack isn't likely to engender serious and thoughtful discussion here. The more loudly and vehemently you insist that your data set is an absolute truth that must lead to one and only one conclusion, the more likely you are to find resistance -- particularly when you also start accusing people of ignorance because they disagree with your insinuations.
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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2008, 09:17:29 AM » |
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The OP (and some respondents) seems to be conflating 'non-white" with "visible minorities" and "minorities". Please define your terms.
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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2008, 09:19:11 AM » |
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None of the names of their faculty members sound or look Russian (or Italian, or French, or Greek...). Sure one or more are probably British. But is the concept of "diversity" yet another white guy with Oxford degree, or is that just another mask for one's b.s.?
Actually, very few of the names are anglo-saxon, especially if we take into account several first names which are extremely rare in this country. Although the name I clicked has a very French name, he was educated in Germany. At least one of the visible minorities in Journalsim, however, received both undergrad and terminal degrees from BU. As did Dr. Cakebread, but I just like the name. (For the record, by the definition of "visible" minorities, it does take some effort in this case, as the photos are not on the page with the list of names). But by looks, the school of Film and Television does have at least one "visible" minority. Oh, and thanks for accusing me of being purely academic, that is a first for me. Now my students can accuse me of being stuck in the ivory tower when I ask them to support their opinions. |
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2008, 09:36:48 AM » |
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Is this a rhetorical question aimed at no one in particular? If it is I'd like to know the answer too.
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2008, 09:36:57 AM » |
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A person could be white but from Russia? None of the names of their faculty members sound or look Russian (or Italian, or French, or Greek...). Sure one or more are probably British. But is the concept of "diversity" yet another white guy with Oxford degree, or is that just another mask for one's b.s.? [/quote] Funny that your definition of diversity (one apparently based solely on skin color) is admirable, right, and true, but someone else's is automatically "[a] mask for one's b.s." The "b.s." to which you refer is likely racism, even though we're not talking about race; we're talking about diversity. If you want to talk about race, then say: "BU needs x many non-white people, or I'm going to troll the forums with pointless accusations against them!" At least that would be closer to the truth. Why would someone with a degree from Oxford not make a group of primarily American scholars more diverse? |
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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2008, 09:37:29 AM » |
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Sockgumbee, is that you? Perhaps if we change how we count the faculty members...
In any event, windchimes, your current mode of attack isn't likely to engender serious and thoughtful discussion here. The more loudly and vehemently you insist that your data set is an absolute truth that must lead to one and only one conclusion, the more likely you are to find resistance -- particularly when you also start accusing people of ignorance because they disagree with your insinuations.
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My current "mode" is not that of an "attack", but of passionate disgust with those that found no need to employ even a single black or a latino American (out of about 100 million of them on the streets of America of today). That someone even seriously suggests that they were perhaps unable to find "suitably qualified" minority candidates in the popular and massively staffed field of mass communications (especially, with the lack of doctorate or even master's requirements as a part of hiring criteria) shows that ugly ignorance part that I am talking about. Yes people, particularly American people are very ignorant. Ignorance of all sorts is ingrained in our DNA. It is American as an apple pie or flying Elvises. So I am/was not set to start a serious and thoughtful discussion here, not only because of the prevalent attitudes of the most posters here, but because I lack stamina of "discussing" serious issues with a bunch of double-faced career elitists. And >3 out of 69< are not insinuations, but empirical evidence. |
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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2008, 09:43:26 AM » |
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Still clicking around on the site, I am beginning to think that the "empirical" evidence is based solely on names, having found a very visible, non asian minority in Mass Communications. And based on name and education, I am willing to bet one of those asians is NOT foreign born.
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2008, 09:57:09 AM » |
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Sockgumbee, is that you? Perhaps if we change how we count the faculty members...
In any event, windchimes, your current mode of attack isn't likely to engender serious and thoughtful discussion here. The more loudly and vehemently you insist that your data set is an absolute truth that must lead to one and only one conclusion, the more likely you are to find resistance -- particularly when you also start accusing people of ignorance because they disagree with your insinuations.
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My current "mode" is not that of an "attack", but of passionate disgust with those that found no need to employ even a single black or a latino American (out of about 100 million of them on the streets of America of today). I'm sympathetic to your cause. However if your goal is to effect some change in this regard then you'll need to do better than passionate disgust and guilting random departments. Finger wagging only goes so far. We could talk about their recruiting policies. Is there some sort of university wide minority recruitment office at BU? I know of at least one university that has had some success in increasing minority applicants. I personally am game for such a discussion as I am involved in related efforts at my university. Since your post seem to go no further than pointing fingers it does make it seem like you have a personal axe to grind. Regardless of the hiring policies or patterns at BU. |
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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2008, 10:00:53 AM » |
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The OP's agenda is obvious-- s/he feels there should be quotas for non-white faculty, and BU should enforce these. I will support such quotas myself, when quotas for Baptists at places like BU are also instituted. Till then, let's try to hire the best available applicants.
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Why are you "sensing" that I have an "axe to grind", and not BU? Because it appears you picked BU at random, that's why. Why don't you try to ask what's their "beef" particularly when the field of mass media/journalism/writing is abundant with qualified minorities with a few years of professional experience (along their bachelor's or master's)? Because I don't care about the hiring practices of Boston University. If you think you can prove a pattern of racist hiring practices at one of the most Liberal universities in this country, go ahead. Leave me out of it, because I certainly did not came up with the >3 out of 69<. [/quote] |
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