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aysha
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« on: April 23, 2008, 06:08:16 AM »

Having returned from Oman, I think the education industry is nothing more than a farce!  I sincerely feel sorry for the omani students who are apparently taught by 'morons' with fake degrees.  Moreover, it is all about power in the management field and nothing much is done to help the region to contribute to the academe in the future.  Worst still, I am overwhelmed by the "wasta" business they tend to dwell upon... imagine, the art of surviving there is all about who you ' butter up' for attention and perks!  Nobody cares if you sincerely wish to share your knowledge and experience.  Just pretend to work and pocket the money!!!  And if you are a woman, learn to adjust with the attention some 'big moustache' have upon you.  If you don't, have the guts to work out without any reservation, like I did!
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bewildered
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 06:36:31 AM »

You found a gender bias in the Middle East?  That's surprising.
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baka_janai
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 08:30:47 AM »

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And if you are a woman, learn to adjust with the attention some 'big moustache' have upon you.  If you don't, have the guts to work out without any reservation, like I did!

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 09:30:31 AM »

You found a gender bias in the Middle East?  That's surprising.

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baka_janai
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2008, 05:34:01 AM »

I often wonder about the one-post posters, who somehow make their way here across the vast cyber-seas only to laid their one little solitary egg (usually of discontent) and then disappear forever.  Who are they?  Where do the come from?  And where to they go after CHE? 
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larryc
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 08:51:51 AM »

I love the phrase "big mustache." Is this a commonly accepted shorthand phrase for a certain type of man in the Middle East?
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baka_janai
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 09:21:13 AM »

I also expect that this is an idiom in whatever language the poster speaks as a first language.  But I haven't been able to come up with any hits on Google.
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baka_janai
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 07:39:30 PM »

The closests I've gotten is "Vieille Moustache (Old moustache) = Veteran campaigner" which is slang from Le Grand Armee of the Napoleonic Wars. 
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aysha
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 08:53:32 AM »

Sorry, couldn't post replies ... busy with research!  Anyway, gender biasness may be exhibited openly at certain places... Please readers, it was meant to be a gentle reminder that not all countries observe equal rights for women and children despite claiming to be one!  I am just sharing my view and that of my ex-colleagues feedback.
Well, you either take it or just leave it...
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 11:24:42 AM »


Well, you either take it or just leave it...


Actually, if you participate in this forum, you will learn that it is a place for discussion.  If you don't want, or can't handle the responses, then don't post.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2008, 12:42:44 PM »


Well, you either take it or just leave it...


Actually, if you participate in this forum, you will learn that it is a place for discussion.  If you don't want, or can't handle the responses, then don't post.

This is totally b*tchy and unecessary. People who come into the CHE fora aren't required to post over 1,000 posts in order to be taken seriously.  It should be easy to note when trolls are spouting bulls*** and when others are posting a comment just to be commenting.

Gender bias, btw, is common throughout the Middle East and even Turkey.
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aysha
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2008, 01:24:12 AM »

Thanks  for the tip jtsmr... was about to take up an assignment in Turkey for my research work.

BTW, English is my first language to those who are curious!!!
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baka_janai
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2008, 03:58:21 AM »

Gender bias, btw, is common throughout the Middle East and even Turkey.

And don't forget all of Central and South America.  Oh, and Asia.  Don't forget Asia.  Come to think of it, I think we can safely throw in most of Africa as well.  And, realistically, large parts of the United States and Europe.

Seriously, Aysha, you sound a bit naive in your original post and that's why your post got the sorts of replies it got.  Also, the writing is awkward enough in palces that several posters (including myself, a professional EFL teachers with over 25 years of experience) assumed that English might be a second language for you.  Just saying.

My own overseas experience includes 12 years in the Arabian Gulf, including 7 years in Oman (at Sultan Qaboos University).  While, I am male so my experiences were in obvious ways different from your own, I can't honestly say that the genre bias in Oman is really, in any significant ways, different from the gender-bias that I observed working in Mexico.  And, while it is different in kind, the gender inequality here in Japan, where I've worked for the last 10 years, is also pretty obvious.

My experiences in Oman were almost entirely positive.  But then I was working at Sultan Qaboos University and not one of the many "for profit" private universities that have sprung up since I left.  Many of these are, in all honesty, no better than the University of Phoenix in terms of academic level.  And many are far worse in terms of the management.  Some are horrible and little better than some Korean language schools. 

As for "wasta" -- well that does play a part in most sorts of casual and formal business in the Arab world.  But similar "insider games" are just as vital in Asia and Mexico -- and dare I say it -- the US.  It's the same basic game -- just the rules are slightly different.  You don't like the Arab "wasta" rules, and Arabs no doubt don't like the way the game is played in the US.  And of course no one without wasta is going to like the wasta system.




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baka_janai
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2008, 04:01:21 AM »

BTW, English is my first language to those who are curious!!!

It's just these sorts of things what make my trained EFL teacher's ears perk up.  I know we all make mistakes when posting -- me too -- but certain types of errors are likely to prompt comments of non-nativeness.  The last couple of lines in your OP also display this same awkwardness.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2008, 04:03:58 AM »

...the genre bias...

See, living proof that I also mistype frequently.  I just hate genre bias! 
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