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Author Topic: Annoying things Academics do at Conferences  (Read 40908 times)
beardman
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« Reply #240 on: May 29, 2008, 02:28:55 AM »

qrypt, philo, and jrscholar:

Thanks very much for the advice. Yes, the standard practice in my discipline is to receive your comments a week before the conference. (It'd be rude, and also damaging, to bail out at that point.) Sadly, you have to read the paper in the form your commentator did, and you don't get to give a formal response after the comments are read out. Instead, people usually try to insert some response into their answers to audience members' questions. Often an audience member will just helpfully say, "How do you respond to those comments?"

The awkward thing is the foreknowledge of the comments, when you've got to read the paper as is. In cases where you agree with some of the criticism, it feels like having to listen to the prosecution's entire case before having the chance to plead guilty. Still, I think there's something kind of undignified about prefacing the paper with "Uh, well, I'm going to retract some things that I say here, so...well, anyway." Better to just deliver it confidently, take the thumping, and go from there. Right?

(As it happens, over the last few days, the comments I received have helped me unearth a weird conflation lurking in my paper. With that diagnosis in hand, I now see how I can concede that one of the strategies I pursued in the paper is indeed doomed, but still defend the project in a different way. So, the salvage route.)
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« Reply #241 on: May 29, 2008, 07:33:48 AM »

Still, I think there's something kind of undignified about prefacing the paper with "Uh, well, I'm going to retract some things that I say here, so...well, anyway."

Not at all. 

At the very first conference I ever attended (as a first-year doctoral student), I went to a session where two people (co-authors) from my school were delivering a paper.  (One was a Very Famous Senior Scholar and the other was a second-year doctoral student.)  At this conference, which is held by the premiere national organization in my field, there are no commentators or discussants, but presenters must submit their papers to the conference way in advance, and all the papers are published into proceedings, which are then given to all attendees at registration.  As Very Famous Senior Scholar got up to speak, the student co-author began distributing a one-page (two-sided) addendum (something I've still never seen anyone else do).  And the Senior Scholar's first words after greeting everyone were something like this:

"As you can see, <student co-author> is handing out an addendum to our paper, because we now think the original paper was wrong.  We've done some further analysis, and what we've discovered is...."

I asked both authors about this later, because I was so surprised that you could do something like that.  They pointed out that it would be stupid to present findings that they no longer thought were valid, when what people want to hear about is what is valid.  It was too late to change the paper, so this seemed to be the best way to present the results of their final analysis.  After all, they said, the whole point of the conference was to share and get feedback on what you've learned, so you might as well present what you've actually learned, i.e., the most up-to-date understanding of your data.

The session, BTW, went very well.  People actually seemed to appreciate the updated results, and there was a lively (in the good sense) Q&A session, including many questions from other Very Big Names.

If this approach is comfortable for you, beardman, can't you preface your paper with an acknowledgment of the problems and tell the audience that you will respond to those after reading the paper (as is)?  (Be sure to credit--and thank--your commentator for helping you to identify these problems.)
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« Reply #242 on: May 29, 2008, 08:43:43 AM »


If this approach is comfortable for you, beardman, can't you preface your paper with an acknowledgment of the problems and tell the audience that you will respond to those after reading the paper (as is)?  (Be sure to credit--and thank--your commentator for helping you to identify these problems.)

This is a good idea.  You could begin by saying,  "I'd like to thank Commentator X for the comments hu sent me last week; they've given me pause for thought, and I will be revising parts in light of hu's comments.  I'll now read the paper as I sent it to hu last month, but I'd be very happy to discuss in the Q&A the changes I'll be making to my argument." 
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« Reply #243 on: May 29, 2008, 01:09:52 PM »

Infopri and secret weapon:

Will do. This sounds good. I suppose that my example of a stammering pre-talk retraction was a bit of a straw man...the phrasing you suggest, sans stammer, doesn't sound undignified at all.

My gratitude for the advice. My anxiety is subsiding a bit.
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« Reply #244 on: May 29, 2008, 01:28:25 PM »

Good luck, beardman!
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