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« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2008, 08:10:08 PM »

There was a big splash ten or fifteen years ago about some professor in the sciences in the midwest who held down two tenure track positions at colleges a few hundred miles apart. He made tenure at both places before he was found out. He remains my hero.

This was before my time, I've never heard of it.  I'm really interested to know the details!  Care to share?
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« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2008, 08:58:23 AM »

Kay16 -
In many fields, it is common to have large teams, and in multiple sites.  In health research, for example, it contributes to the generalizability of findings (e.g., does treatment A work as well in location A as it would in location B where conditions are different?).

Ethical researchers utilize their respective professional/academic organizations' guidelines regarding publication ethics.  Here are some examples:

Ethical Guidelines to Publication of Chemical Research: http://www.chem.ucsb.edu/~laverman/Ethics/pdf/ACS_ethics.pdf 

American Association of Health Behavior: Publication Ethics: http://www.ajhb.org/2005/6/NovDec1205Laflin.pdf 

Medical Journals Publication Ethics: http://www.wame.org/resources/ethics-resources/publication-ethics-policies-for-medical-journals/ 

Note that these guidelines indicate that being the senior PI for the research project that generated the data is not by itself adequate reason to be listed as co-author! 

I have taught an academic writing course for our doctoral students.  In the past, a very few faculty exploited that class as an opportunity to get their names of publications.  My philosophy is that I am being paid to teach the class, and reviewing and helping the students thru the process is part of the resoibsibilities of teaching this course. 

So, the first thing I cover IS research and publication ethics.  I have students put in writing the agreements they come to with each other, their advisors, co-authors, whoever about authorship responsibilities, timelines, authorship order, etc. 

I work to ensure that my help toward developing the paper ends when the term ends.  If substantial more work is required, then they should seek their co-authors/advisors.  If I am asked to continue working on the paper, it needs to meet my requirements (e.g., in my area, etc.) and the agreement is modified to include me with the full agreement of other co-authors.

Frankly, I've co-authored only 1 paper this way - it took a full year past the end of the term to get it published (with us working weekly on it).  For other papers, I am acknowledged - and that is fair.

Finally, I also try to convey to grad students that (a) they tend to over simplify the process of writing publications, (b) tend to over-estimate their own writing abilities, (c) tend to overestimate their own contributions, and (d) don't realize how much work their faculty advisors actually have to perform to make papers publishable.  This is due mostly to time!  Faculty typically do the same amount of work more quickly - due simply to having more practice and writing and editing.  All the grad student sees is that it took Prof A a week to turn their part around, but took grad student 2 weeks.  So the (incorrect) assumption is that grad student did more work.  No.  Prof did it more efficiently.

Anyhow, the practice you seem to think is common (adding on names, piggy-backing) is not as common as you might think.  Most of us work hard at what we do, take credit for our work only, and do so while helping others advance as well.



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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2008, 06:32:45 AM »

Nothing would stop classicists from engaging in this scam, too, but, well, we don't.

Oh, please, can we NOT go into the "whose scholarship is better" argument? PLEASE? Even if "you classicists" don't participate in this "scam" as you describe it, you also have not discovered stem cells, nano-technology, or cures for diseases. I am not in the physical sciences and I would NEVER dare launch this sort of assault.

I would never criticize research in your field as consisting of decade after decade re-hashing the same limited period in Mediterranean history, and I would recommend you do the same in a field in which you clearly do not understand the standards.



So... which poster here has cured a disease or disovered stem cells (is that even the correct terminology?)?  Or are we just whistlin' Dixie to put k16 in his place?

If the latter, stop it this instant.
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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2008, 07:47:33 AM »

Sorry to interrupt the snarking, but here's the latest on the case:

"Two former Georgia Tech professors under state investigation for fraud paid out more than $80,000 in Tech money to a family member in consulting fees, according to documents released by Georgia Tech."

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/04/22/gatech_0422.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

These folks clearly know how to live the academic life, Atlanta-style.
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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2008, 08:10:37 AM »

Wow!  If half of what is in that article is true, those two are in a world of hurt.  The timeline sounds pretty clear according to those emails.  Sounds like GaTech thought they were staying and finishing out the academic year when in reality they had already left.

Wonder if there are an state laws in GA about nepotism.  A lot of states still have laws on the books about hiring family members at state institutions.  The sketchiest thing about the whole situation was the UPS store mailbox for receiving the payments that just happened to be near their house.  WTH?  Why wouldn't the payments just go to his residence?
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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2008, 10:34:51 AM »

There was a big splash ten or fifteen years ago about some professor in the sciences in the midwest who held down two tenure track positions at colleges a few hundred miles apart. He made tenure at both places before he was found out. He remains my hero.

That's awesome!  Did he end up having to quit either job or lose both?  What happened to him?
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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2008, 12:55:54 PM »

His name is "Francois". That's all I needed to see.

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« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2008, 01:22:31 PM »

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Wonder if there are state laws in GA about nepotism. 


Why, sure. The law states, don't hire from outside the old boy network if you can help it. Don't even hire outside the family, to be on the safe side.

That's how you regulate quality control without paying for anything with state tax money that could be better used for trips to market the state peanut crop in Phuket.

When I had posters printed up for a friend's concert, there was the shadow of a hair which had fallen on the photo positive, right in the middle of his face. The printer said, "My brother said it was good enough."
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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008, 01:26:02 PM »

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Don't even hire outside the family, to be on the safe side.

I thought the Georgia law was "don't sire outside the family."
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2008, 12:38:31 PM »

Brief bio on Minnesota's site says she got her PhD in 1993, so I'd assume he's the same.

How is she still on a Career grant 15 years post-PhD??  (The originally-cited article says that she is, maybe that was a mistake?) - DvF

The quote from the newspaper article is:

"She won a prestigious Presidential Early Career Award for Scientists and Engineers grant and brought the project to Georgia Tech."

She actually received the award in 97 while at FIT according to NSF (yes, I am avoiding grading).

What I find even more astounding is that Sainfort was an Associate Dean! It is one thing to be in a lower profile or research only position but in the Dean's office? Man they were dumb bold.
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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2008, 02:09:33 PM »

She actually received the award in 97 while at FIT according to NSF (yes, I am avoiding grading).

OK, so old news, really.  Thanks for doing the legwork, it was confusing me. - DvF
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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2008, 02:29:57 PM »

She actually received the award in 97 while at FIT according to NSF (yes, I am avoiding grading).

OK, so old news, really.  Thanks for doing the legwork, it was confusing me. - DvF

There are also some mid-career "transition" awards, but that does not seem to be the case here.
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2008, 03:27:10 PM »

She actually received the award in 97 while at FIT according to NSF (yes, I am avoiding grading).

OK, so old news, really.  Thanks for doing the legwork, it was confusing me. - DvF

There are also some mid-career "transition" awards, but that does not seem to be the case here.

They also don't have the prestige of the "Career", one wouldn't make a big deal about them on one's CV. - DvF
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« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2008, 11:31:26 PM »

There was a big splash ten or fifteen years ago about some professor in the sciences in the midwest who held down two tenure track positions at colleges a few hundred miles apart. He made tenure at both places before he was found out. He remains my hero.

This had to have been easier in the days before the internet.  Twenty years ago there was a story of someone at West Virginia University who also on the faculty at a school in Pittsburgh, which is within driving distance.  Someone from one of his departments came to give a seminar in his other department and was curious why this guy was there.  I'm guessing that the Minnesota health people don't have much interaction with the Georgia Tech people.
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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2008, 04:41:19 PM »

This happened at my university when I was working in the UK.  It was actually very simple, because it happened at a time when you weren't required to join USS (the national pension plan for academics).  Big Name applied for the job, got it, and simply never gave notice at other institution.  It took about 9 months for my university to notice (this was the pre-website era) and they simply asked Big Name to resign.  No question of handing back the salary that Big Name double-dipped, and BN still works at University 1.  Some shame, I hope? but no real consequences.
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