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[galactic_hedgehog]

The Vatican has just released a new list of the seven deadly sins:

1) genetic modification
2) human experimentations
3) polluting the environment
4) social injustice
5) causing poverty
6) financial gluttony
7) taking drugs

What do you think?  Will it mean another remake of Bedazzled?

[hollow_man]

Obviously there's some good advice in that list, but sometimes I just don't think the Vatican thinks enough about PR here in the 21st century.

[dolljepopp]

I cannot take seriously any list of sins that does not include bad hair.

[qrypt]

Does this mean lust is now fair game?

[cc_alan]

Does this mean lust is now fair game?

Nope. There are now a total of 14.

Let's go to the toteboard!

Alan

[wild_rose]

Does this mean lust is now fair game?

I was wondering about that myself. Do the others not count now?


But I think these were simply added to the list.




Dagnabit.

[pocketlint]

Does this mean lust is now fair game?

I was wondering about that myself. Do the others not count now?


But I think these were simply added to the list.




Dagnabit.

"...The sins were added, according to the Telegraph, to the original seven, which Mgr Girotti described has having "rather individualistic dimenion(s)."

Taken from the OP's link, that answers that.

"...Girotti also recognized the growing problems of abortion, pedophilia, and a widespread habit of "making do without God.
"Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own 'I', and their hearts harden in sin," said Girotti."

And with  this nugget we can assume that list will be amedned and increased in the future.  Does this mean that the vatican is accepting change and progress now?

[husqvarna]

Has anyone come across a citation for the L'Osservatore Romano issue where this is mentioned?  I can't find this after a brief search.  Also didn't see it as a news item on the Apostolic Penitentiary site.  I'd be curious to learn more about this.

[big_giant_head]

What I want to know is, what is the difference between avarice and "financial gluttony"?

[rockprof]

The Vatican has just released a new list of the seven deadly sins:

1) genetic modification
2) human experimentations
3) polluting the environment
4) social injustice
5) causing poverty
6) financial gluttony
7) taking drugs

What do you think?  Will it mean another remake of Bedazzled?

I think this hasn't been well thought out.

1. Genetic modification has been going on since humans planted crops and raised animals through selective breeding.  What if we invented a drug that women could take while pregnant that would prevent the development of a genetic disease.  Is that bad?

2. A ban on human experimentation would end pharmecutical research (among other benefits to society).

3. Just by existing, humans cause some pollution to the environment.  Flip a light switch and you're part of the system that pumps pollution into our environment.  Has the Vatican returned to oxcarts for travel about the city?

4. Define social injustice?  Is it just to take money I earn and distribute it to others?  What if that other person on social services takes drugs (see #7)?

5. Doesn't that Vatican cause poverty by not allowing poor Catholics to use condoms?

6. Why do we need a new sin for financial gluttony?  Don't the old Gluttony and Greed deadly sins cover this?

7. I assume this means recreational drugs, not Lipitor or Ibuprofin?  Does it include alcohol?  Isn't there some story about Jesus turning water into wine for all those party people in Cana?

[galactic_hedgehog]

Has anyone come across a citation for the L'Osservatore Romano issue where this is mentioned?  I can't find this after a brief search.  Also didn't see it as a news item on the Apostolic Penitentiary site.  I'd be curious to learn more about this.

I couldn't find one.  I did see the original Telegraph article and it was also reported on the BBC World Service this morning (that's where I first heard it).

Maybe I'm just too gullible.

[husqvarna]

What I want to know is, what is the difference between avarice and "financial gluttony"?

I think they might also be intending to update it just to provoke thought among the faithful... so someone might not consider "avarice" too much, but explaining it in these terms might get them to think more about what they do that is financial gluttony.  It also expands on the idea of "gluttony" itself in ways that people might not immediately consider.  

I agree with wasteland that in some ways the Vatican is making a rather simplistic PR move, but I imagine things like this benefit many believers.  There will be tons of people around the world who have new avenues of thought to take with them to confession.

I am rather bummed about adding these timely (which will eventually mean outmoded) sins to the list that already has a long and effective tradition.  Which is also why I'm curious about the source of this and how official it actually is.  I could see them making a statement like this in the same way that they talked about road rage recently, but it seems like quite an extreme measure on the part of the Vatican to actually add these to the seven deadly sins.  I wouldn't be surprised if the report is somewhat misreported or exaggerated.

[francie_]

You've just gotta love the ads that accompanies the article in the link!  Quotes for auto insurance and for a KFC wrap!

I agree with wasteland that in some ways the Vatican is making a rather simplistic PR move, but I imagine things like this benefit many believers.  There will be tons of people around the world who have new avenues of thought to take with them to confession.

According the article, fewer Catholics are availing themselves of confession, so the idea is to make up new sins for them to confess?

[johnr]

The Vatican has just released a new list of the seven deadly sins:

1) genetic modification

Hmmm, I guess it's time to dust off the old copy of Stalking the Wild Asparagus.

[husqvarna]

I agree with wasteland that in some ways the Vatican is making a rather simplistic PR move, but I imagine things like this benefit many believers.  There will be tons of people around the world who have new avenues of thought to take with them to confession.

According the article, fewer Catholics are availing themselves of confession, so the idea is to make up new sins for them to confess?

Well, they're not "making up" new sins... it's a clarification of some sorts, if the report is true.  But yes, that's the idea... the solution to a decrease in penitence isn't to make the road wider and more adaptable, it's to keep it straight and narrow, and to clarify the significance of this road.  May sound unpopular, but look at what sorts of religiosity are flourishing the world over.