zag_uk
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« on: January 31, 2008, 08:33:32 AM » |
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I'm curious as to the average length of time it takes to be promoted to Senior Lecturer at UK institutions. (Based upon average performance in teaching/research/admin, although I know this will differ between disciplines and some people never make it to SL.) I'm in the humanities, and at my institution it seems to average out at around 9-10 years. Just wondered if that was typical?
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secretweapon
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 08:59:49 AM » |
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That seems like a long time. I thought 4-6 was more typical, but I guess it all comes down to publications.
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donstefano
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 09:23:07 AM » |
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too long
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zag_uk
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 09:33:27 AM » |
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Hmm, that was what I suspected. Strange thing is, no one seems to want to move on.
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secretweapon
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 09:55:59 AM » |
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Well, that depends why they are not getting SL. Is uni unfairly refusing to promote qualified people? Or are they not willing to do the work to get promoted?
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 12:05:05 PM » |
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Seems too long to me as well. Good pubs and high quality research grants, plus whatever's required for teaching/admin, and 4 or 5 years should do it.
My observation is that the ones that never make it lack ambition and either don't work hard enough, or put all their energy into teaching. At my place, you can get promoted with teaching as your primary task but then you have to make a significant contribution to teaching and learning, not just deliver in the classroom.
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snape
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 06:43:02 PM » |
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It partely depends where you started (Lecturer A/B). One person I know got it in around 7 years after the PhD, another after 25 years. Many retire without reaching SL.
It may depend on the discipline.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 06:46:53 PM » |
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Well, that depends why they are not getting SL. Is uni unfairly refusing to promote qualified people? Or are they not willing to do the work to get promoted?
Maybe a bit of both. A colleague was told there no chance of hu getting a personal chair, but hu managed to secure one at another university of similar reputation. |
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collegekidsmom
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 10:39:09 PM » |
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Oh, I thought you were planning a class in Second Life
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jim73
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 05:23:06 PM » |
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Just back from sabbatical!
My perspective is that people are beginning lectureships later. In the social sciences you probably need decent postdoctoral experience in order to be competitive for a lectureship. I would have thought 10 years out of PhD and 6-7 after appointment would be the norm at my institution. I agree with others, the trick is to not get caught up in teaching and admin. You MUST publish. I have lots of excellent, committed colleagues who are not getting promoted any time soon because they don't prioritise their own work enough.
Pay modernisation, for me at least, made the process much more transparent. In the past you had to meet vague targets like 'excellence in research, teaching and preferably admin'. Now there is a complicated, and informative, long list of things you must do. Its pretty clear what you need to do to get promoted now, and pretty clear whether you will or not if you apply.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 01:21:26 PM » |
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I'm 12 years out of PhD but only 7 years into being a lecturer because of doing far too many postdocs and having a wasted year in the middle (not even doing anything helpful like starting a family). I put forward a preliminary application this year and was told that some of the professorial staff in my department thought I was ready, but most did not. Irritatingly, it was the new, forward-looking ones that thought I was (one even said he was drawn to the department by my work) and the stick-in-the-muds that didn't. I'm in the slightly-squidgy (but not completely soft) sciences.
So I'm off on sabbatical and am aiming to spend that time writing the papers and grants I need. Which is why I think 7 years might be the modal time to promotion...
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