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« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2008, 08:34:22 AM » |
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You people are not fooling me. I know exactly what occurred in that thread, and I know exactly what you all are doing. |
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« Reply #123 on: November 16, 2008, 06:54:43 PM » |
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My manuscript was reviewed by 4 people (3 in Europe, chose by VDM; 1 in the US, suggested by me). That process took around 5 months. After that, I received the reviewers comments. I incorporated the changes suggested, and the my book was published. It took 1 year, more or less.
Most warty threads start out warty.
This warty thread started out normal, but the warts and warty first time posters are spreading out of control.
Yeah, dang. I was looking forward to hearing about their peer review process. |
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« Reply #124 on: November 16, 2008, 06:57:25 PM » |
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« Reply #125 on: November 16, 2008, 07:26:38 PM » |
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Some quotes from the "How to Become an Author" part of VDM's website ( www.vdm-publishing.com/index.php?&act=nav&nav=10043); emphases mine: [From the FAQ] "• Will my manuscript be edited by VDM? Since the manuscripts we accept are already of a high standard, we tend not to edit works. Proofreading is not performed as it would not be financeable." [From the "Procedure" part - I could find no other description of an editorial review process besides the lines below.] "Please submit your work (a minimum of 40 pages) by email as a PDF file to publishing[at]vdm-publishing.com and we will try to respond within two weeks." After we have reviewed your work we will inform you as to wether [sic] we would like to move ahead with a publication and alert you of any suggested changes. At this time we may offer you an author agreement." (Science3, looks like your review took a really unusually long time, given that they say two weeks is the norm.) Most of the banner images displayed on their website are of people apparently in their 20's or younger, in jeans, leaping or turning somersaults. Their affiliations are with booksellers, not publisher organizations. But they do have some respectable-looking books on Amazon. |
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To me, forums are more of a relaxing period in which the poster can allow himself or himself to be lost in a sea of wonder.
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« Reply #126 on: November 16, 2008, 09:19:48 PM » |
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Is there a way to
(a) remove this thread from the "Show new replies to your posts"?
It was a nice thread but we are witnessing an unprecedented degeneration of a topic. Can we close it? Clearly the guy that took him a year to publish with VDM does not know what he is talking about.
(b) focus on strangesisters.com? This link has clearly been the most exciting post in the last few days of this thread!
John
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« Reply #127 on: December 14, 2008, 07:38:00 PM » |
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VDM is clearly not a vanity press but it isn't a 'normal' academic press either. By specializing in papers written in the course of one’s studies, the papers they get have undergone a de facto peer-review by virtue of being marked.
Now, a vanity press on the other hand prints anything, from anyone and they do it for upfront payment. VDM doesn't expect you to offset the cost (like many perfectly reputable German academic publishers) and it certainly doesn't expect you to cover the full cost of a print run (like a vanity press will).
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« Reply #128 on: December 14, 2008, 08:11:01 PM » |
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VDM is clearly not a vanity press but it isn't a 'normal' academic press either. By specializing in papers written in the course of one’s studies, the papers they get have undergone a de facto peer-review by virtue of being marked.
Uh, 'papers that were marked' ? Perhaps in high school. In the academic world this does not constitute peer-review. |
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« Reply #129 on: December 14, 2008, 10:44:33 PM » |
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Uh, 'papers that were marked' ? Perhaps in high school. In the academic world this does not constitute peer-review.
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Peer-review in the simplest sense is merely having a knowledgeable person read and pass favourable judgement over ones work. In other words, a peer-review is just an assurance that a paper is not simply a collection of random assertions with no base in fact. A professor marking a thesis looks for the same things that a reviewer does when peer-reviewing a submission – does he not? The methodologies of grading and of peer-review are the same; they simply serve different purposes in general practice. VDM is exploiting this fact – that thesis papers are in effect always checked by multiple experts – to source high-quality material for their books. Now, to be clear, I didn’t say that it equates to peer-review as we know it traditionally, merely that the process and results are pretty much the same.
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« Reply #130 on: December 14, 2008, 11:29:43 PM » |
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Peer-review in the simplest sense is merely having a knowledgeable person read and pass favourable judgement over ones work. In other words, a peer-review is just an assurance that a paper is not simply a collection of random assertions with no base in fact. A professor marking a thesis looks for the same things that a reviewer does when peer-reviewing a submission – does he not?
No, that's exactly the point. The review process is different, and the standard to which the work is held is not the same. The methodologies of grading and of peer-review are the same; they simply serve different purposes in general practice. VDM is exploiting this fact – that thesis papers are in effect always checked by multiple experts – to source high-quality material for a their books. Now, to be clear, I didn’t say that it equates to peer-review as we know it traditionally, merely that the process and results are pretty much the same.
The process and results are not the same. Just because you have faculty reading the item in both cases, does not make either the methodology or the result identical or equivalent. |
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« Reply #131 on: December 14, 2008, 11:38:08 PM » |
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Alright, how is the methodology different?
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« Reply #132 on: December 14, 2008, 11:42:48 PM » |
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Alright, how is the methodology different?
What did the "grading" of your university term papers or thesis look like ? What do the reviews of your journal articles or book manuscripts look like ? Are you trying to say that they looked similar ? |
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« Reply #133 on: December 14, 2008, 11:48:56 PM » |
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In the context of VDM we are talking about dissertations only (Maters or doctoral) – not about essays, etc...
I asked you to tell me why the evaluation of good scholarship is different depending on what the process is called...
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« Reply #134 on: December 14, 2008, 11:56:45 PM » |
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In the context of VDM we are talking about dissertations only (Maters or doctoral) – not about essays, etc... Yeah, except that you used the following terminology upthread: "By specializing in papers written in the course of one’s studies, the papers they get have undergone a de facto peer-review by virtue of being marked." I've never heard of a thesis referred to as a "paper" before, and I've never heard of a thesis being "marked". It seems as though you are a bit unfamiliar with standard academic lingo. I asked you to tell me why the evaluation of good scholarship is different depending on what the process is called...
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