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Author Topic: Publishing with Verlag Dr. Mueller? (VDM)  (Read 252787 times)
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« Reply #105 on: November 07, 2008, 01:50:06 PM »

Condescending. Disgusting comments. It looks like you must be in the payroll of some university press.

I have been in contact with an acquisition editor named Saleem Chotoye from VDM Verlag Dr. Muller and I must say they have done a very good job unlikely from the Edeen Bhugeloo quote my editor was very helpful and showed a lot of maturity, I faced some difficulty when uploading my project and the reply to my mails were very fast.

When I got the first mail, I was a little bit suspicious but after reading more about VDM Verlag Dr. Muller I understood that is was an opportunity that I coulnīt miss. I was surprised by the quality of the book, perfect cover, professionally designed. I would certainly recommend those of you who havenīt published your work as well as to some acquaintances.


If I were a publisher, nothing would warm my heart like an endorsement from someone who is nearly illiterate.

I'm guessing that adj_prof isn't a native English speaker.  And I'd also guess that there's a better-than-even-chance he or she is on VDM's payroll.
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« Reply #106 on: November 07, 2008, 01:58:50 PM »

Science3,

Go have some decaffeinated tea, and come back after you've calmed down a bit. You're getting way too offended by this.
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« Reply #107 on: November 07, 2008, 02:00:26 PM »

Articles and the book.

You see? Are we scrutinizing here YOUR academic careers?


And your tenure decision was based primarily on this book ?

No, but I'm not making the extraordinary claim to have received tenure by publishing with a vanity press that was founded in 2002, upon the advice of my thesis advisor.
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« Reply #108 on: November 07, 2008, 02:15:08 PM »

Science3, I was not being condescending.  To the contrary, since most of the folks responding here are in the U.S., I thought it possible that we had a cross-cultural misunderstanding occurring, and I had hoped to try to bridge the gap.  I see that my efforts were in vain, as you're determined to take offense where none was intended.

So be it.  Enjoy yourself.
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« Reply #109 on: November 07, 2008, 02:17:26 PM »

Are you making the extraordinary claim to have received tenure? Didn't get that.

Articles and the book.

You see? Are we scrutinizing here YOUR academic careers?


And your tenure decision was based primarily on this book ?

No, but I'm not making the extraordinary claim to have received tenure by publishing with a vanity press that was founded in 2002, upon the advice of my thesis advisor.
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« Reply #110 on: November 07, 2008, 02:19:11 PM »


I get offended when I see people making fun of someone's accents... Is that what we academics are for? Shouldn't we be more accepting of diversity?

Science3,

Go have some decaffeinated tea, and come back after you've calmed down a bit. You're getting way too offended by this.
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« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2008, 02:24:17 PM »

I don't even know if I should bother to reply, but science3, please understand nobody here is trying to attack you. You claim you come to seek and share information: we all do here, and we need to make sure that people who decide to publish with VDM understand what they are getting themselves into.
 
Nobody is attacking VDM. What we are "attacking" (if anything) is the notion that a non-peer reviewed work shares the same academic value as a work that has undergone a rigorous academic peer review. You claimed VDM does undertake peer review, so we wanted to know what evidence you have of that process. You still haven't answered that.

The comment about your perhaps not being American was not to suggest any kind of US superiority, but because it would explain the confusion over the value of a peer review process, which can vary from country to country. This is an American forum, but don't assume we all have US-centered views. I'm not American and I've lived in 3 countries other than the US, so saying we're all US-centric is accusatory, as is saying that I'm trying to represent myself under different monikers here, or that I'm trying to be arrogant. That is not my purpose here. Likewise with the accents. You're taking offence where none is intended.

The whole thing comes down to this: peer reviewed does not equal non peer reviewed. Those who have work that can be published in a peer reviewed press would likely be better off doing so. Those who want a quick way to get something printed and available for sale can go with VDM. Whatever you decide, just understand what that means in terms of your CV/tenure process/career.


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« Reply #112 on: November 07, 2008, 02:27:45 PM »

Show evidence of the peer-review process of your university presses.

I don't even know if I should bother to reply, but science3, please understand nobody here is trying to attack you. You claim you come to seek and share information: we all do here, and we need to make sure that people who decide to publish with VDM understand what they are getting themselves into.
 
Nobody is attacking VDM. What we are "attacking" (if anything) is the notion that a non-peer reviewed work shares the same academic value as a work that has undergone a rigorous academic peer review. You claimed VDM does undertake peer review, so we wanted to know what evidence you have of that process. You still haven't answered that.

The comment about your perhaps not being American was not to suggest any kind of US superiority, but because it would explain the confusion over the value of a peer review process, which can vary from country to country. This is an American forum, but don't assume we all have US-centered views. I'm not American and I've lived in 3 countries other than the US, so saying we're all US-centric is accusatory, as is saying that I'm trying to represent myself under different monikers here, or that I'm trying to be arrogant. That is not my purpose here. Likewise with the accents. You're taking offence where none is intended.

The whole thing comes down to this: peer reviewed does not equal non peer reviewed. Those who have work that can be published in a peer reviewed press would likely be better off doing so. Those who want a quick way to get something printed and available for sale can go with VDM. Whatever you decide, just understand what that means in terms of your CV/tenure process/career.



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« Reply #113 on: November 07, 2008, 02:29:20 PM »


I get offended when I see people making fun of someone's accents... Is that what we academics are for? Shouldn't we be more accepting of diversity?

Science3,

Go have some decaffeinated tea, and come back after you've calmed down a bit. You're getting way too offended by this.

If you're referring to me (given your repeated quotations of my posts), I was not making fun of anyone's accent, and it speaks volumes that you think I was.  I have spent the past 15+ years working with people from around the world, and I actually love the sounds of the different accents and cherish the differences amongst us.

Rather, what I was doing was taking a cue from what appeared to be the constructions of a non-native English speaker and wondering if perhaps the language and cultural differences might have led to some misunderstanding.   If I was giving you too much credit, however, I apologize.  Maybe language has nothing to do with it at all.  Maybe you're just much more sensitive than the average individual.
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« Reply #114 on: November 07, 2008, 02:33:43 PM »

Science3, you are obviously taking some of the criticisms of VDM very personally here.  No one has attacked the content of your publication, but they have rightly pointed out that the publication process at VDM does not involve substantial review.

And the fact remains that in many departments and schools, the reputation of the publisher is a (if not the) key factor in deciding the value of a book publication.  

I'm glad that this publication was helpful to you in your professional goals, but that does not invalidate the relevance of previous posters' warnings to many authors who may be considering this press.
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« Reply #115 on: November 07, 2008, 02:41:38 PM »

Here are a few links from some university press publishers which explain their peer review process. Now please, grow up.


http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/catalog/information.php?info_id=102 "The Review Process: If a sponsoring editor decides that your project holds promise for our list, he or she will seek, at a minimum, two outside reviews for scholarly projects and one for trade books. To allow for careful consideration of a project, we give our readers six to eight weeks, on average, to complete their evaluation. The review process typically takes three to four months, depending on, among other things, the nature of the project and the availability of reviewers. When reviews are received, the sponsoring editor may ask for the author's response. If the editor determines that the project is a strong candidate for publication by Indiana University Press, he or she will prepare a contract proposal for review and approval by the Press's Editorial Committee. The Editorial Committee meets twice each month. You will be notified shortly after the meeting regarding the committee's decision. We make every effort to ensure that editorial decisions are made in a timely manner.

http://www.oup.com/us/corporate/proposalsubmissionpolicy/?view=usa "Peer review is an important component of OUP"s evaluation process. Before any book can be accepted for publication by OUP, it is evaluated by our editorial staff and by outside readers and ultimately must be approved by the OUP Editorial Board."

http://www.manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/authors/process.asp "he review and commissioning process

We pride ourselves on publishing high quality, scholarly works, and in order to maintain a high standard of publications, all book proposals and manuscripts undergo a rigorous process of assessment by peer review. The guidelines below explain the review process.

How long will it take?

For reviewers of book proposals, we ask that reports be returned within two weeks; for reviewers of manuscripts, we ask reports to be returned within six weeks. However, this review process can take longer due to finding a suitable and available reviewer, the length of the submission and the workload of the reviewer. We always aim to ask the best academics in the field to review submissions, however, they are often very busy, so we have to wait until they are available to review the work and write their report. The review process can also take longer if the submission is for a particular series, as series editors often have a number of proposals and manuscripts under consideration at the same time.

The review process can therefore take from just two weeks to three or four months, depending on the availability of the reviewers, how long the reviewer takes and the number of reports required. On average the review process for a book proposal takes about six weeks; for a manuscript, it is about eight weeks.

How many reports are required?

At least two positive reports are required for every work commissioned. If the submission is for a series then a report from one of the series editors is also necessary. If the reports are negative or lukewarm, or if the commissioning editor is still unsure of the submission, then more reports may be sought.

What happens when the reports come in?

The reports are sent to the author for their comments and feedback. This is an important process of the review process as it gives the author a chance to defend or agree with any criticisms or suggestions made, and, if necessary, make revisions to the original submission. It is our policy to protect the identity of reviewers by making all reports anonymous.

If the reports are negative, or if the commissioning editor decides not to contract the book, then the submission would be declined for publication at this stage.

When will a contract be offered?

Once the reports and the author's response are in the commissioning editor will decide whether a contract will be offered. This may take between a few days or a couple of weeks, depending on the submission, the nature of the reports and the author's response, the completion of research on the market and competition, and the working out of provisional production costs to make sure the submission is financially viable.

Once the commissioning editor decides to contract the work, terms are negotiated with the author and the submission is put before the Editorial and University Board.

What is the Editorial and University Board?

The Board is made up of senior members of the Press and distinguished academics at the University of Manchester. Once the author and commissioning editor agree contract terms, the commissioning editor presents the submission to the Editorial and University Board for consideration at a meeting, which is held every two weeks. If all Board members agree to commission the work, then a contract will be sent out to the author within the next few weeks. If the Board declines publishing the work, then it can either be resubmitted with more information by the editor at a future meeting or completely declined for publication. "
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« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2008, 12:52:17 PM »

I have published my papers based on the dissertation in peer-reviewed journals. I am not sure if they still are allowed to published my dissertation in a printed book. Other than those concerns on the bank account and copyrights with those journals, I really cannot see any downsides about publishing my dissertation with VDM.
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« Reply #117 on: November 14, 2008, 09:58:35 PM »

I just finished working with VDM to publish my dissertation. The entire process lasted a year, although I completed my part in about 3 months. I never expected to make money from the deal, but I also knew that I would never write about my Ph.D. topic again, ever.

I received my five books last Thursday and gave a copy to my mother the same day. I look like a genius in their eyes. It also doesn't hurt to have a book published by someone who actually approached me. I just submitted a book that I wrote for the public to publishers and when I tell others who know I have another book published they don't treat my comments as a 'pipe dream." They actually wonder when this book will come out. Plus it was awesome to see those books with my name on them. I plan on donating three of them to special research centers because my dissertation dealt with a topic that had never been covered but will be vitally important in the years to come. Without VDM this would have never happened.

So I am a published author. People take my other writing efforts seriously and others in the future will have my work to inform their own. My family and friends are also proud....
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« Reply #118 on: November 14, 2008, 10:01:47 PM »


Most warty threads start out warty.

This warty thread started out normal, but the warts and warty first time posters are spreading out of control.
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« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2008, 07:56:38 AM »


Most warty threads start out warty.

This warty thread started out normal, but the warts and warty first time posters are spreading out of control.

Yeah, dang. I was looking forward to hearing about their peer review process.
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