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[the_honey_badger]

Also, Scorpio and Capricorn are attracted to astrology because an authentic practice is deep and reeks of power.  They more interested in results than convention where power/knowledge* is concerned.  That's why they have it.

Because we are freakin' pragmatists and results-oriented. We don't care where or how we get what we want, only that we get it and are recognized for the achievement.

You can't tell me that this place isn't *infested* with curious ("what the hell! It might work!") Geminis.

Leos? Only when they sense they are being talked about---positively.

[bread_pirate_naan]

Also, Scorpio and Capricorn are attracted to astrology because an authentic practice is deep and reeks of power.  They more interested in results than convention where power/knowledge* is concerned.  That's why they have it.

Because we are freakin' pragmatists and results-oriented. We don't care where or how we get what we want, only that we get it and are recognized for the achievement.

You can't tell me that this place isn't *infested* with curious ("what the hell! It might work!") Geminis.

Leos? Only when they sense they are being talked about---positively.

Oh, yeah.  But that's just the way this thread works.  Those are the two most disciplinary signs.  If you look at the chart, the entire third house of reading is Scorpio, and that's a very  'hidden' spot in a chart.  Below the horizon and cadent, even the Pisces shouldn't pick up on them as much.  It's hilarious, any time a Scorpio Sun delurks (always by PM thus far), they feel like I called them out, personally and specifically.  I don't really get that part.  Of course I know they're here.

I am always flattered when Scorpio Sun women make contact online or in RL, because they do not connect with just anyone.  If they aren't the type to have a big tattoo or wear scorpion jewelry (secure in their power to the point they do not make a display of it) there is always a moment of surprise.  It is hard to 'attract' or meet a healthy Scorpio woman, or get into their orbit.  They decide.  Dysfunctional Scorpio is really obvious and icky.*  (Scorpio drama is relative, therefore those not fluent in Scorpio will not expect the run of the mill trouble and drama that would crush others--and does)  Scorpio men, on the other hand, are pretty easy to attract, but hard to connect with as well.  They who are not ascetic or abstemious in some way like to test their magnetism on the sex/gender of interest, and they cannot resist Pisces who are 'neat', deep, a challenge to figure out, and accepting/understanding.  They lurk because they do. I don't know where the ultimate periphery of a thread on the internet is, but that's where they are, energetically.  I do not expect any (more) Scorpio Sun men to delurk publicly or privately.  Cagey Scorpios, ideally/ultimately intimacy junkies. Love ya!  <waves>

The Caps on the other hand, are in the 5th house of fun.  That much Cap trying to have fun is pretty attractive, especially since the point of the thread is work.  And astrology is hard work! How much fun is that?

Why the signs are interested in astrology:

Aries--intellectual challenge, competitive advantage, consciousness studies
Taurus--generally disinterested (Amiens and OAP both have major Scorpio, like all Taureans in my orbit) honorable mention -- finance
Gemini--yes, very curious; Hermes is also a guide between worlds, mischief
Cancer--the best offense is a good defense, sense of security, attune intuition, control (emotional)
Leo--because it flatters them, power, the sense of pure spirit, key to 'life' & vital energy
Virgo--less interested, skeptical/critical bent, health & healing, may have a mystical yen, order out of chaos
Libra--intellectual interest, pragmatic way to figure out those to whom they relate
Scorpio--power, mystery, mastery, control, power again, taboo
Sadge--wisdom, learning, insight
Cap--security, power, control, order, mystery, mastery, dominance
Aquarius--energy/vibes, 'esoteric science', intellectual interest, pragmatic kookiness
Pisces--mystery, psychic attunement, ways of approaching the unknowable/absolute, finance

*eyetoteye/getmore--classic dysfunctional Scorpio

[tinyzombie]

TZ, I am so happy you are finally here!  Yay, best day ever.  I considered a Lurker Amnesty, but I never really smoke anyone out of the woodwork.  Good choice of a day, people!  The community chart is favored.

Thanks, BPN and others, for the enthusiastic welcomes! One of the many reasons I love the fora. Happy to be here and begin learning. (My insomnia is giving me the chance to check back through this thread and do just that.)

I've been thinking about the Aries=impulsive thing, and wondering what it means (when/that) I'm able to keep it in check - because I can, sometimes, but it doesn't always work. BPN, can you tell me more about that or other me aspects I might have missed or at which I might not always look directly?

TZ, a sponge

[tinyzombie]

http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,69318.0.html

VP

Creepy, Voxy.

TZ, double-posting with abandon because it's almost 5 AM here, and sleep is a damned little elusive bugger

[hestia]

Flattered though we may be by all the power, mystery, taboo stuff attributed to Scorps, I think the real answer is much simpler more complicated.  Without astrology, I would be clueless about why my Sadge colleagues just can't leave well enough alone, and why they, being perfectly nice people, routinely piss off everyone else in the office.  Without astrology, I would be incredibly frustrated by the number of details that suddenly have to be taken care of during a Mercury retrograde.  Without astrology, I wouldn't know whom to ignore where to direct my intensity (and perhaps more importantly, who could bear it).  Scorpio children often have a very hard time.  Here's the secret:  Scorpios don't necessarily seek power; they are born with it.  They see differently.  They usually spend a lifetime learning to control it.  Now I've said too much, feel exposed, and so return to my cave.

[firecracker]

Flattered though we may be by all the power, mystery, taboo stuff attributed to Scorps, I think the real answer is much simpler more complicated.

 Scorpio children often have a very hard time.  Here's the secret:  Scorpios don't necessarily seek power; they are born with it.  They see differently.  They usually spend a lifetime learning to control it.  Now I've said too much, feel exposed, and so return to my cave.

So interesting. As someone with a Cancer Sun but Scorpio rising, I am routinely surprised when people tell me, "Oh, I was so intimidated by you at first," or "you get so much more done than "normal humans." I suspect they are responding to the Scorp in my chart.

I think of myself as much weaker and more emotional than people perceive me. I've also had to learn to ask for support and help directly, and to really soften myself in certain situations, so that people see me as less threatening.

[the_honey_badger]

As detailed somewhere back in this thread, someone famously told me that I had "eyes like Charles Manson."  Huh?  Me?  I've never understood how anyone, anywhere could be "intimidated" by me. Yet, I hear it all the damn time.  Scorp rising but I'm not only a Gem sun, I've got lots of Gem planets. Who on earth is scared of a Gemini?  Its like a litmus test for morons and cowards in my view. We just haven't got the focus to hunt you down---we'll conceive of the broad plan, sure, but the stick-to-itiveness needed to get the job done? Eh, we are easily distracted....look, something shiny over there!

[hestia]

Yes, I've long suspected that being a Scorp ascendant must be harder than a Scorp sun in some ways, since Scorp suns usually learn to mask themselves as their ascendants.

[bread_pirate_naan]

Flattered though we may be by all the power, mystery, taboo stuff attributed to Scorps, I think the real answer is much simpler more complicated.  Without astrology, I would be clueless about why my Sadge colleagues just can't leave well enough alone, and why they, being perfectly nice people, routinely piss off everyone else in the office.  Without astrology, I would be incredibly frustrated by the number of details that suddenly have to be taken care of during a Mercury retrograde.  Without astrology, I wouldn't know whom to ignore where to direct my intensity (and perhaps more importantly, who could bear it).  Scorpio children often have a very hard time.  Here's the secret:  Scorpios don't necessarily seek power; they are born with it.  They see differently.  They usually spend a lifetime learning to control it.  Now I've said too much, feel exposed, and so return to my cave.

There's no expectation that any one person is going to identify with all keywords for any symbol or combination.  That's not what they are supposed to do.  But rest assured, I have a lot of confidence from the astrologer's mouth on the mystery part.  Not too many mystics in academe these days, more research Scorpios.  Investigators.

Like the guy who is pretty well known for writing/theorizing the astrological history of Freemasonry in the US, he has 5 planets and the S node in Scorpio.  I would link to his website, but he has a Pisces Moon and he hate-loves me a bit.  Scorp Sun, Pi Moon -- yeah, there's some interest in mystery.  Frakkin' Freemasonry.  Scholarship.  Freemasonry scholarship. Astrological scholarship of Freemasonry.

Yes.

I know a lot of Scorpios.  Very Scorpio, Scorpios.

Many Scorpio people have early experience of trauma, violation, or exposure to information outside themselves that is 'too much'.  Something bad happens. While mundane convenience is certainly a completely understandable way to structure of one's interest in astrological insight,  all but the last of those instances described above reflect a certain interest in mastering an environment, rather than the self.  Still, it's all about control.  Mystics are looking to control a little further beyond the mundane.

***

The Scorpio known as Perfect Fit a double Scorp with 3 planets in Scorpio.

Then there's the one doing a PhD in _________, Amazing Scorpio.  Anybody remember him?  He was born the same month as PF, but has 5 planets in Scorpio.  He has to give me a very wide berth because, surprise!  He's married. He is totally in love with me.  Just plain loves me. Bummer.

Member that visiting artist?  He was just playing magnetism games with me. Couldn't understand why I went on with my business when last I saw him.  As a dear friend said,"You're all suggestion, and I'm all follow through."  He is pretty much the astrological double of Roland Barthes.  Four planets in Scorpio.  Meditator.  (Cap Moon, shocking, I know)

It was super cool, validating fun to meet a female Scorpio on the road last round with exactly the same agenda, (as in the reason she does her work), as me.  Too bad she lives in N Europe.  Not a lot of people around with the same agenda as me.  Subject matter, sure.  Agenda, no.  Four planets in Scorpio.  COLLEAGUE!  For reals.

Now, Hestia, too, is not a mere single planet water bearer of Scorp, she's running neck and neck with that Leo...

But, you can let them tell you, or decide for yourselves, based on experience, what drives a Scorpio. 
Well, you can try.

I've been thinking about the Aries=impulsive thing, and wondering what it means (when/that) I'm able to keep it in check - because I can, sometimes, but it doesn't always work. BPN, can you tell me more about that or other me aspects I might have missed or at which I might not always look directly?

TZ, a sponge

You have a very powerful father image in your chart.  He is very important in your life.  I would spend some time thinking about how your career goals do, or do not reflect what he [would] 'wants' you to do.  What would make him 'proud'.  I would also dig up the Mars/Saturn/(Pluto posts).  They are probably 100 pages back by now...

If you, or woman, identifies most strongly with the Moon, there is a lot of success power to be accessed, but developing and wearing the attributes of the Sun.  A strong Sun like Aries is hard to wear.  Practice is good, because Aries women are not encouraged or often praised for expressing their positive sign attributes, much less the negative ones.

You like sex.  Don't bother to have any hang-ups about that.  Not an ideal context to explore surprise impulses.

[hestia]

Aw, shucks, Naan--you didn't buy the "we Scorps are just folks?"

(Mystery, yeah.  We just LURVES mystery.  And control.  And power.  Ok, what you said.)

[bread_pirate_naan]

Aw, shucks, Naan--you didn't buy the "we Scorps are just folks?"

(Mystery, yeah.  We just LURVES mystery.  And control.  And power.  Ok, what you said.)

Of course.  That's where the space clearing thing totally outs you.  I know it's not your practice, but the people I know in the flesh who are big on space clearing are Tibetan Buddhists.  (What a racket them make with their banging, and the gong-ing, and the bowl-ing, and their noise-ing!) One of the above is one of those types (with some dope-ass, freak out the straights, Aquarius).  It was really interesting to sit with that Scorp and listen to the description of the energy currents in a certain space.  <rah rah RESEARCH!>

Scorpio people know a lot of stuff and see a lot of dynamics that they are not 'allowed' to talk about.*  That's the taboo part.  I think one of the misunderstandings of Scorpio is that they are not necessarily 'dark'.  They do tend to drama waaaaay more than most, but they invented the DL, and when they are right with themselves have this taboo thing we are not supposed to talk about called spiritual power.  (transformation) The ones who reject or assimilate that model to the acquisition of the greatest powers of the present, are amazing researchers in science and medicine. (See also, Jonas Salk) The detective types are much more vulnerable to corruption. 

And when I say it is flattering to be straight with Scorp Sun woman, I mean it.  While I have had a very long and close association with a trouble making, transgressive full Moon in Scorpio woman(collecting the whole set of that particular year of Taurus Sun); not too many Scorp women run around saying, "Let's be friends!"  Am I right?  Yes.  I know what I am talking about.  I am not full of sh!t.  Healthy elimination.**  No retention here, thanks.

And you can see from my data how attracted some Scorp types are to my energy.  (Year of the Dog Scorpio-type?  You might as well give up now.  Don't fight the feeling.)


*Foucault averse, anyone?  (He's a Libra, but, come on.  That is someone living life through the lens of the ASC to the Nth.  And Saturn in Scorp.  Whaddaya gonna do?)

**Important to understand Scorpio word/function.

[bread_pirate_naan]

For everyone who ever heard "The Score." (A Refugee Camp Production.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfLnqoL-lRs

[tinyzombie]

I've been thinking about the Aries=impulsive thing, and wondering what it means (when/that) I'm able to keep it in check - because I can, sometimes, but it doesn't always work. BPN, can you tell me more about that or other me aspects I might have missed or at which I might not always look directly?

TZ, a sponge

You have a very powerful father image in your chart.  He is very important in your life.  I would spend some time thinking about how your career goals do, or do not reflect what he [would] 'wants' you to do.  What would make him 'proud'.  I would also dig up the Mars/Saturn/(Pluto posts).  They are probably 100 pages back by now...

If you, or woman, identifies most strongly with the Moon, there is a lot of success power to be accessed, but developing and wearing the attributes of the Sun.  A strong Sun like Aries is hard to wear.  Practice is good, because Aries women are not encouraged or often praised for expressing their positive sign attributes, much less the negative ones.

You like sex.  Don't bother to have any hang-ups about that.  Not an ideal context to explore surprise impulses.

The power/practice and sex things make total sense to me. The father thing is an interesting one that I'll have to parse further.

TZ, child of a single mother

[bread_pirate_naan]

The father thing is an interesting one that I'll have to parse further.

TZ, child of a single mother

4th house Saturn.  See also, Madonna (for a single parent represented this way).  The house where Saturn is placed is important and sensitive. 

I don't explain everything in the terms that I could.  This is a public venue.  That's why the Scorps don't post.  It's a sacrifice for them, because they would appreciate the specific attention that comes with contributing.

"You have a very powerful father image in your chart."  <that sh!t is complicated>  Cancer, the sign on your ASC, the lens through which everything passes, is the sign of the Mother.  The ruler of  Cancer is the Moon.  Your Moon is in the sign opposite Cancer, the father sign, Capricorn.  Your Moon is carrying a dual/gendered parental signification.*  Single mom is everything to her child.

Moon in Cap suggests a working mom, or one who carries a father image (disciplinary role, expectations and conditional love).  Moon/Cancer love is pretty unconditional, in the archetypal ideal.  (But negative Cancer is a crazy manipulative sign.  Wow.  Not saying this is you at all.  You don't vibe that way, at all.)

Your Aries Sun (doesn't get stronger than Exaltation), is in the Capricorn house.  Sun in the 10th house, in a very 'exciting' configuration with Mars, Saturn and Pluto.  Saturn is the father-image planet that rules Capricorn.  The Sun is Men generally, but most of the time the ones with more power, the Dad, the Boss, Husbands.  Mars is the sexual image of masculinity, or assertion.  Aries is one of the two Mars signs.

This is a lot of jargon.  This sort of set up in the angles points not only a lot of energy going into ambition and success in career, but tense aspects with planets loaded in houses 4(home life) and 10 (fame, career, public image) are also laden with a lot of FOO.**

I have laid out a lot about your chart, and there is another regular with a lot of 4/10 FOO.  Whether or not they want to start that conversation on thread is up to them.


*Not only is Cap over-represented in career women; a lot of authoritative Cap-type women love women and gender-play, more than they love authoritative men.  Lots.  Not all.  Just lots.

**Family of origin action

And the Scorps go crazy.

Jonas Salk

Roland Barthes

Both of their charts are very much activated by the current Sa-Pl square.  They are Sa-Pl people.  That's how these things work. A very obvious distinction in their interests can be seen in the rising planets.

[chaosbydesign]

Sorry for dragging up old posts.

Chaos and Elsie are both Jupiter in Aries.  Aries is not a finisher.  You both have strong Sun-Saturn aspects, so I know you have it in you.

This is interesting, as I have a tendency to start doing things and then not complete them at the very last minute. I get so close, and but just never actually do the final part of whatever it was that I started. I'm really trying to work on that, because obviously I need to complete something eventually if I'm ever going to get anywhere. What do you mean by strong Sun-Saturn aspects? Sorry, I'm really new to this and don't know a lot of the terminology.

I feel extremely unsettled at the moment. I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm unbalanced, but I'm not in a state of mind that is conducive to productivity. In the past I have more often than not become very involved in tiny little details of my work and fail to meet targets at the optimum time because I'm so focused on intricate things that take up more time and energy than necessary, but I'm approaching everything from a different angle now. I'm so enthusiastic and focused on my final goal, and what I'm going to do when I get there, but I have almost no motivation or enthusiasm for what it is that I need to do to achieve it. I don't think it is laziness, it's more a lack of engagement. I feel physically tired at the thought of doing anything. I was supposed to come back from traveling with some new-found energy and drive, but instead I'd rather lock myself in my apartment and stay there for a few days (weeks? Months?). I think it might be partly to do with the sheer volume of work I have to do in a short space of time, and that it all seems disorganised. That and the fact that I want to be somewhere else, doing something else, and if I hadn't been stupid enough to make the bad decisions I made last year, I could have been doing that now. I have a bit of a mental block against starting because I can't see a clear place to start, and of course the eventual outcome is so uncertain that I'm not even going to know if I'm 'doing the right thing' as I do it.