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« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2007, 02:33:27 PM » |
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what are you all's opinion on for-profit education?
Translating from the CSA dialect, I think you mean: What do youse think of for-profit schools? My view: As the poet says, you gotta serve somebody. For state schools, it is the legislature. For non-profits, bondholders and rich alums. For for-profits, the stockholders. interesting response. i had a conversation with a colleague of mine who earned his phd from MIT. he does not have too much of an opinion about distance learning doctorates, but he stands very strong against for-profit education. he believes that it heavily impacts the quality of instruction and unrealistically boosts graduate rates in spite of "true" academic performance. |
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« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2007, 03:12:52 PM » |
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interesting response. i had a conversation with a colleague of mine who earned his phd from MIT. he does not have too much of an opinion about distance learning doctorates, but he stands very strong against for-profit education. he believes that it heavily impacts the quality of instruction and unrealistically boosts graduate rates in spite of "true" academic performance.
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« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2007, 03:26:03 PM » |
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Not really--it's sad. And it's sadder yet that you can't understand how your unwillingness or inability to express yourself in standard written English undermines both your and Walden's causes on this professional academic forum.
so because i choose not to use capitalization in my informal chats i'm less of a person and a poor representation of the academy? TS, the use of proper capitalization and grammar are both the mark of an educated person (and a true scholar) and a formal rule of this forum. If you are unwilling to use the shift key there is not a place for you here. |
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« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2007, 04:15:37 PM » |
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interesting response. i had a conversation with a colleague of mine who earned his phd from MIT. he does not have too much of an opinion about distance learning doctorates, but he stands very strong against for-profit education. he believes that it heavily impacts the quality of instruction and unrealistically boosts graduate rates in spite of "true" academic performance.
He is correct. i believe that he has a point as well. however, aren't all institutions of higher learning trying to make a profit? without tuition, none of them would last. this is why i don't really care for insitutions who's ownership is publically traded... but of course, it may all come down to an accreditation issue. |
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« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2007, 04:19:48 PM » |
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Not really--it's sad. And it's sadder yet that you can't understand how your unwillingness or inability to express yourself in standard written English undermines both your and Walden's causes on this professional academic forum.
so because i choose not to use capitalization in my informal chats i'm less of a person and a poor representation of the academy? TS, the use of proper capitalization and grammar are both the mark of an educated person (and a true scholar) and a formal rule of this forum. If you are unwilling to use the shift key there is not a place for you here. i may have missed that "formal rule". would you mind directing me to it? i see this is as more of a pet peeve than a rule. i'm not trying to be argumentative, however the mark of an educated person and a true scholar (in the academy) is his or her ability to perform research, have it critiqued by his or her peers, and get it published. that i have done and know exactly how to present my professional and academic writing. thanks though! :-) |
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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2007, 04:22:31 PM » |
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Not really--it's sad. And it's sadder yet that you can't understand how your unwillingness or inability to express yourself in standard written English undermines both your and Walden's causes on this professional academic forum.
so because i choose not to use capitalization in my informal chats i'm less of a person and a poor representation of the academy? TS, the use of proper capitalization and grammar are both the mark of an educated person (and a true scholar) and a formal rule of this forum. If you are unwilling to use the shift key there is not a place for you here. i may have missed that "formal rule". would you mind directing me to it? i see this is as more of a pet peeve than a rule. i'm not trying to be argumentative, however the mark of an educated person and a true scholar (in the academy) is his or her ability to perform research, have it critiqued by his or her peers, and get it published. that i have done and know exactly how to present my professional and academic writing. thanks though! :-) It seems to me that you're acting as nothing more than a contrarian. |
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« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2007, 04:27:19 PM » |
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It's not true that universities exist to collect tuition dollars, nor that most are dependent on them. Most universities operate based on a combination of state and federal funding for research/operations, endowment money, and grants. At some places, tuition is a portion of operating budget, but at many places that portion is small compared to the other contributors.
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« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2007, 04:28:00 PM » |
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Not really--it's sad. And it's sadder yet that you can't understand how your unwillingness or inability to express yourself in standard written English undermines both your and Walden's causes on this professional academic forum.
so because i choose not to use capitalization in my informal chats i'm less of a person and a poor representation of the academy? TS, the use of proper capitalization and grammar are both the mark of an educated person (and a true scholar) and a formal rule of this forum. If you are unwilling to use the shift key there is not a place for you here. i may have missed that "formal rule". would you mind directing me to it? i see this is as more of a pet peeve than a rule. i'm not trying to be argumentative, however the mark of an educated person and a true scholar (in the academy) is his or her ability to perform research, have it critiqued by his or her peers, and get it published. that i have done and know exactly how to present my professional and academic writing. thanks though! :-) It seems to me that you're acting as nothing more than a contrarian. you're probably right. and it's probably because of the manner in which i have been approached with the issue. |
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« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2007, 04:49:43 PM » |
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you're probably right. and it's probably because of the manner in which i have been approached with the issue.
No one approached you. You jumped into the middle of a tangentally related post and planted a great big Walden U flag on it. |
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« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2007, 05:06:37 PM » |
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i may have missed that "formal rule". would you mind directing me to it? i see this is as more of a pet peeve than a rule.
http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,13084.0.htmlPlease use proper punctuation and capitalization. Don't post in all caps. It's rude.
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« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2007, 05:45:04 PM » |
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i believe that he has a point as well. however, aren't all institutions of higher learning trying to make a profit? without tuition, none of them would last. this is why i don't really care for insitutions who's ownership is publically traded... but of course, it may all come down to an accreditation issue.
Non-profits, as the name implies, don't make a profit; neither do government agencies, like university systems. Becoming a publicly-listed company is usually a good thing. It gives the company -- or school -- more access to investment funds, and it transfers some of the decision making from an individual or small clique to the market. You can think of the market as an example of "the wisdom of crowds." Accreditors certainly OK schools with all forms of ownership, public, non-profit, and for-profit. For profits are, IMHO, under more academic scrutiny, but they typically get good marks on financial stability. |
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__________ Zharkov's Razor: Adapting Zharkov a bit to this situation, ignorance and confusion can explain a lot.
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« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2007, 05:54:44 PM » |
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For profits are, IMHO, under more academic scrutiny, but they typically get good marks on financial stability. In another life I had dealings with the topic of for profits and financial stability, and it is not the case that they typically get good marks for this. The Corinthian chain comes immediately to mind. One major problem is that the for profits like to take money out of the enterprise (to owners or stockholders-- after all, that is what the enterprise is about) and subsequently can often point to little more than cash flow or fixed assets like computers (which have little real value) as proof of financial stability. This is a big headache for the feds, as they are left holding the bag on guaranteed student loans if the school goes belly up during the middle of a program or term if there is a dramatic dip in enrollment or some other set of unforeseen circumstances. That said, many small non-profits are also not in good shape, and many small state schools (those without foundations) would not be deemed financially responsible without the backing of their respective state or local government. |
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larryc
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« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2007, 10:15:02 PM » |
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« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2007, 08:35:30 AM » |
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Thank you very much for pointing this out to me. The moderator has asked participants of this forum to use proper capitalization and I will do my best to abide. There are other items mentioned by which many on this list, as of late, have failed to conform. Calling me a "flack" and instructing me to "STFU" are totally against what the moderator asked for. Thanks again though! :-) TS |
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« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2007, 09:32:43 AM » |
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There are other items mentioned by which many on this list, as of late, have failed to conform. Calling me a "flack" and instructing me to "STFU" are totally against what the moderator asked for.
Once again, your reading comprehension skills have failed you. In another thread I asked you to provide a specific example or examples related to one of your claims--if not, then STFU. You provided one weak example in this thread, and if you'll note, I acknowledged this example. Anyway, I'm taking larry's sage advice. Good luck in your endeavors. |
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