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« Reply #5985 on: November 02, 2009, 06:20:04 PM » |
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I also had no bites last year when I was ABD and am having more success now. I can't take credit for the cartoon figures to look at, that was a friend's advice for my last phone interview. :)
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« Reply #5986 on: November 02, 2009, 10:02:29 PM » |
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Do you think the ABD curse is mostly due to the risk of not finishing by the hire date? just curious...
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« Reply #5987 on: November 02, 2009, 10:10:08 PM » |
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Just sent off another app... fingers crossed!
On the ABD curse: I had the same ratio of interviews to applications sent when I was ABD and my first year out (my second year out, all the positions I applied to got cancelled). But the places that interviewed me when I was ABD also asked for a copy of my diss as it currently stood at the time of the application, I think to check that I really was very close to finishing. At that point, the only thing missing was the signatures, and I was sitting on it so that I could continue to get student health insurance, so it was pretty obvious that I was going to finish on time.
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« Reply #5988 on: November 02, 2009, 10:35:55 PM » |
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Aargh! Just, the waiting is killing me! Hopefully they get my last reference tomorrow!
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« Reply #5989 on: November 02, 2009, 10:36:51 PM » |
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interesting...thanks for shinning a little ray of light :)
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« Reply #5990 on: November 03, 2009, 12:17:28 AM » |
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« Reply #5991 on: November 03, 2009, 12:51:21 AM » |
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Do you think the ABD curse is mostly due to the risk of not finishing by the hire date? just curious...
Yes. As they say, there's two kinds of dissertations - done, and not done. |
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« Reply #5992 on: November 03, 2009, 04:46:59 AM » |
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Best of luck indefatigable!
It looks like my total number of applications submitted this year is going to be very low. But no rejections or wikijections yet, so I'm still in the game.
By your moniker I thought that you were in the same field as I, and I've already got 17 out and four rejections. I believe we are in the same field, but I am hunting only liberal arts college jobs this year. It's funny, there was somebody over at the Wiki page who was whining that this year was bad because there were only 60-70 or so R1 jobs open... But you're right, there are only about 30 or so LAC jobs there, total (including all sub-fields). Good luck! Thanks mouseman, I think I need it. Good luck to you too. The plus side to having somewhat less than 10 to send in is that I've made good progress on a paper, which will look nice on my CV for next year's search. ugh. |
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« Reply #5993 on: November 03, 2009, 08:31:20 AM » |
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Do you think the ABD curse is mostly due to the risk of not finishing by the hire date? just curious...
That and a fuller resume. I've got three publications and a book chapter submitted right now. Last year at this time when I was ABD, I had draft dissertation chapters. I've also got a semester of full-time teaching experience behind me (almost). Big difference. |
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« Reply #5994 on: November 03, 2009, 11:59:27 AM » |
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Do you think the ABD curse is mostly due to the risk of not finishing by the hire date? just curious...
That and a fuller resume. I've got three publications and a book chapter submitted right now. Last year at this time when I was ABD, I had draft dissertation chapters. I've also got a semester of full-time teaching experience behind me (almost). Big difference. hmmm, this is giving me hope :) I have lots of teaching, a teaching award, and publications....just...need....to...finish...dissertation...:) Best of luck to you!! |
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« Reply #5995 on: November 03, 2009, 12:02:45 PM » |
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Do you think the ABD curse is mostly due to the risk of not finishing by the hire date? just curious...
That and a fuller resume. I've got three publications and a book chapter submitted right now. Last year at this time when I was ABD, I had draft dissertation chapters. I've also got a semester of full-time teaching experience behind me (almost). Big difference. hmmm, this is giving me hope :) I have lots of teaching, a teaching award, and publications....just...need....to...finish...dissertation...:) Best of luck to you!! Actually, I had all that too. I just have more now, and a finished dissertation. It's just a fact of life that if it's not done, you're going to be at the bottom of the pile. Don't let it get you down, but finishing it is the #1 best thing you can do to be more competitive on the market. |
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« Reply #5996 on: November 03, 2009, 12:05:29 PM » |
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Great advice! Thanks! I need to get off this damned thread and write :) I find it funny that in my hysterical email/job checking I found a way to have instant responses ...thank you forum :) Now back to the diss!!!
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« Reply #5997 on: November 03, 2009, 12:36:12 PM » |
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the ABD curse
Of course the problem is that you need to be on the market in your last year as an ABD if you want to actually do something as crazy as starting a full time job once you graduate. The only possible workaround is a fall defense date... but unless your graduate department will fund you to sit around for a whole school year with a finished diss in your back pocket (mine won't), you're still facing at least a full semester gap between graduation and your first day on the job. It seems we are moving towards the expectation that almost all new PhD's must complete a redshirt year as an adjunct before entering the full time job market. This is especially true now that employers expect substantial solo teaching experience, publications and even service... qualifications not always easy to get while still in school... for entry-level jobs. VAP's, post-docs and such used to be the standard proving grounds for those not quite ready for a TT job, but the broken market, the overflow of TT-qualified full PhDs and the attendant qualifications creep means that landing even a temporary assignment is going to be very difficult while ABD. |
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« Reply #5998 on: November 03, 2009, 01:05:10 PM » |
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the ABD curse
Of course the problem is that you need to be on the market in your last year as an ABD if you want to actually do something as crazy as starting a full time job once you graduate. The only possible workaround is a fall defense date... but unless your graduate department will fund you to sit around for a whole school year with a finished diss in your back pocket (mine won't), you're still facing at least a full semester gap between graduation and your first day on the job. It seems we are moving towards the expectation that almost all new PhD's must complete a redshirt year as an adjunct before entering the full time job market. This is especially true now that employers expect substantial solo teaching experience, publications and even service... qualifications not always easy to get while still in school... for entry-level jobs. VAP's, post-docs and such used to be the standard proving grounds for those not quite ready for a TT job, but the broken market, the overflow of TT-qualified full PhDs and the attendant qualifications creep means that landing even a temporary assignment is going to be very difficult while ABD. This is exactly my situation. Everyone in my department has gone on the market their last year in grad school, and started a postdoc or tt the fall after graduation. I am not sure what to expect. I also know that while ABD are scarlet letters, there are different stages of ABD. Many are of the thought that you are either done or not, (I totally understand why) but if I only have one chapter left and have a filing date approved and set in the spring, how does this factor in the ABD status? AHHH I think I am thinking way too much about all of this. Time will tell, and hopefully I won't have to resort throwing rent parties :) |
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« Reply #5999 on: November 03, 2009, 03:04:23 PM » |
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Sorry, berkeleygirl, but the main issue with ABDs is that their certainty about their completion dates often doesn't match reality. This is particularly true if an ABD is trying to start a new job while still working on their dissertation.
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