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geek4ever
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« on: November 05, 2007, 11:02:46 PM »

Hi All,

I have a question about if I should mention that I can add to the diversity of a university during my job appliction. I have an impending disability (something isnt too bad now but is progressive with no cure, and will need accomodations in the future) and I think that might be something a dept. might want to know to add diversity. However, I want to get hired based on my current abilities and the work that I have done. But, If a dept. wants to hire someone like me, shouldnt I let them know since we are an ideal fit? That way I know I wont be fired in the future due to my disability. Some other dept. might not want someone like me.

Some job ads mention that I should describe how I can add to their diversity. Is that the (only) time to mention my impending disability?

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 11:29:07 PM »

Diversity means people of color. A disability might (unfairly) be seen as a burden on the department. Don't mention it. Once you are hired, they will have to accommodate you due to federal law.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 11:35:19 PM »

Diversity means people of color. A disability might (unfairly) be seen as a burden on the department. Don't mention it. Once you are hired, they will have to accommodate you due to federal law.

Sorry, larryc, you might be wrong on this for some institutions.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 11:38:00 PM »

Diversity means people of color. A disability might (unfairly) be seen as a burden on the department. Don't mention it. Once you are hired, they will have to accommodate you due to federal law.

Sorry, larryc, you might be wrong on this for some institutions.

He is wrong. Disability is considered toward diversity here.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2007, 09:28:31 AM »

Is disability as diversity like other types in that you have to have some experience in the world with others/community or be an activist or study in diversity issues etc so that it's not just a badge?

Also, folks like Miss Mentor suggest not disclosing disability because of the stigma in some places. So how would one know, what would a person look for to know if a school considers disability as diversity?

What if you are female, a person of color, 1st generation college, with a disability? (what category did I miss?)
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2007, 09:32:37 AM »

Is disability as diversity like other types in that you have to have some experience in the world with others/community or be an activist or study in diversity issues etc so that it's not just a badge?


Like other forms of diversity, having a disability means a different way of knowing the world (so it is not a badge). In fact, I know of a disability scholar who has been studying, as part of his PHD work in sociology, the different ways of knowing that people with cerebal palsy bring to the university (hu has cerebal palsy).
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 09:41:06 AM »

Sorry I didn't mean to imply that having a disability is a badge.

To be more clear: Do departments/schools who consider disability a diversity category require the person to do scholarship in the area or some else: activism etc. beyond having the disversity itself? The example you give Helpful, says yes, since your friend does study disability or a kind of disability anyway.

FWIW, I'm interested because I don't know this area.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 08:02:28 PM »

Yes, a disability contributes toward diversity. Additionally, employers aren't allowed to discriminate on the basis of age.

Don't confuse theory with reality.

You are better to stay quiet.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 09:16:16 PM »

I'm certainly not going to quarrel with the claim that a disability can contribute to the diversity of a department.  And you might even be lucky enough to apply to a department that would see it that way--and one in which the hiring committee was full of people who saw it that way.  But it's also fairly likely that you will apply to a department in which your disability is used against you.  Now, this might be a different matter if you do something in disability studies, or this somehow directly relates to your work.  But I personally think that the potential risk to you is greater than the potential benefit. 

As Prytania pointed out, the crucial issue here is that theory and reality might be two different things.  Your disability should not be held against you.  But it very well might, and I would not want to give a biased search committee the opportunity.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2007, 03:36:05 PM »

Thanks all for the discussion. I can now understand the issues involved.

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2007, 08:34:30 AM »

OK ... I'll take the bait. The first flawed premise is that "diversity" actually is helpful. Prove it! The studies that I have seen suggest that diversity actually causes more problems on a campus. Second, no one is the same - we all have diverse experiences. Think about how far this can be taken - I'm a transsexual hermaphrodite lesbian Hindu and I think I could add diversity to the campus.

And the question of the day: Why doesn't the NBA sign up a bunch of short, nonathletic, Chinese guys to increase their diversity?

I think we all know the answer.... 
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 09:08:24 AM »

Yes, a disability contributes toward diversity. Additionally, employers aren't allowed to discriminate on the basis of age.

Don't confuse theory with reality.

You are better to stay quiet.

I thought the general consensus was that employers didn't discriminate on the basis of age. Are you saying that there is discrimination on the basis of age?
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2007, 12:20:34 PM »

If academia proves too conservative to relate to, apparently television is open to a more diverse group of people. No need to lie about your disability to fit in. Tara Banks doesn't make fun of disabilities within earshot of the peers.


Asperger’s Syndrome Gets a Very Public Face
               Nola Lopez


Times Health Guide: Asperger's SyndromeBut what makes the 21-year-old Ms. Kuzmich different from others with Asperger’s is that for the past 11 weeks, her struggle to cope with her disability has played out on national television.

She is one of 13 young women selected by the supermodel Tyra Banks to compete on the popular reality television show “America’s Next Top Model.” The addition of Heather Kuzmich to an otherwise superficial show has given millions of viewers an unusual and compelling glimpse into the little-understood world of Asperger’s.

The disorder, considered a form of autism, is characterized by unusual social interaction and communication skills. Aspies, as people with the condition like to call themselves, often have normal or above-average intelligence, but they have trouble making friends and lack the intuitive ability to gauge social situations. They fail to make eye contact and often exhibit a single-minded fixation that can be both bizarre and brilliant.

By definition, people with Asperger’s are outside the mainstream. Even so, in recent months the syndrome has been cast into the limelight. “Look Me in the Eye,” a memoir about living with Asperger’s by John Elder Robison, who once created special effects for the rock band Kiss, has been a best-seller. In August, the Pulitzer Prize-winning music critic Tim Page wrote a poignant article for The New Yorker about life with undiagnosed Asperger’s.

Mr. Robison says the popular appeal of these stories may be due, in part, to the tendency of people with Asperger’s to be painfully direct — they lack the social filter that prevents other people from speaking their minds.

“It’s important because the world needs to know that there are tremendous differences in human behavior,” said Mr. Robison, whose brother is the writer Augusten Burroughs. “People are all too willing to throw away someone because they don’t respond the way they want. I think books like mine tell the world that there is more to us than that.”

But while Mr. Robison and Mr. Page tell the story of coping with Asperger’s from the perspective of men in their 50s, Heather Kuzmich is just beginning her life as an adult with the disorder. And it is often painful to watch her transition from socially awkward adolescent to socially awkward adult.

A gifted art student from Valparaiso, Ind., she has a lean and angular look well suited to the fashion industry. But her beauty doesn’t mask the challenges of Asperger’s. The show requires her to live in a house with 12 other would-be models, and cattiness and backbiting ensue. Early in the show, she appears socially isolated, the girls whisper about her within earshot, and viewers see her crying on the phone to her mother.

One girl is frustrated when Heather, concentrating on packing a bag, doesn’t hear a request to move out of the way. At one point, the others laugh when they stake out their beds and Heather has no place to sleep.

“I wish I could get the joke,” Heather laments.

“You. You’re the joke,” retorts another model, Bianca, an 18-year-old college student who is from Queens.

But while Heather’s odd mannerisms separate her from her roommates, those same traits translate as on-the-edge high fashion in her modeling sessions. In interviews on camera, she often glances to the side, unable to hold eye contact. But Ms. Banks, the ’60s-era model Twiggy and the fashion photographer Nigel Barker, who all appear on the show, marvel at Heather’s ability to connect with the camera. The pop star Enrique Iglesias is so taken by her haunting looks that he chooses her for a featured role in a music video.

In an interview last week, Ms. Kuzmich played down the conflict with the other contestants, saying many more “civilized” exchanges weren’t broadcast. “They didn’t make fun of me that much,” she said.

She tried out for the show, she explained, partly to test her own limits. “It was a point in my life where I was thinking either Asperger’s was going to define me or I was going to be able to work around it,” she said.

To her surprise, she was voted the viewer favorite eight weeks in a row, making her one of the most popular contestants in the show’s four-and-a-half-year history. “I’m used to people kind of ignoring me,” she said in the interview. “At first I was really worried people would laugh at me because I was so very awkward. I got the exact opposite.”

Heather made it to the top five, but flubbed her lines while filming a commercial. Later, she got hopelessly lost in Beijing, managing to meet with only one out of five fashion designers. She was eliminated last week, but has since made appearances on “Good Morning America” and “Access Hollywood.” She says she hopes to continue modeling and eventually become a national spokeswoman for Asperger’s.

“I had no idea it would be this big,” she said. “My mom is beside herself. She watched me when I was a kid not have any friends, and she saw me struggle. She’s glad people are starting to understand this.”

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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2007, 12:59:50 PM »

Silly, silly Beacon. I thought everyone knew that Jews have harder heads, more instinctive responses, and better jumping and overall athletic ability, which makes them the biologically superior race for playing basketball. After all, how can all those sportswriters from the 1910s, 1920s, and 1930s be wrong?
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 02:47:51 PM »

Silly, silly Beacon. I thought everyone knew that Jews have harder heads, more instinctive responses, and better jumping and overall athletic ability, which makes them the biologically superior race for playing basketball. After all, how can all those sportswriters from the 1910s, 1920s, and 1930s be wrong?


You digress to your angry feminist attitude and, once again, miss the point. I find it hard to believe that I have to spell it out for you, but then again, academia is filled with this kind of dimly lit response. The real world (outside of the confines of your protected government ivory tower) knows that what is important to make any business competitive (ultimately & optimally successful) is employees that can get the job done. The NBA (as with most college and professional sports) is in the business of winning. They don't need a short Jewish guys with no athletic ability playing basketball just to make the NBA a "more diverse" experience. They need to win. If universities would pick winners, instead of picking Johnny x because he has a peg leg, then the whole student body would be rewarded. Unfortunately, although the university systems do get a lot of the best and brightest, they get a lot of dead weight because of needing to play the political game.

I do believe that someones cultural background can be a sought after quality if it is relevant to what is being taught. How does being Kenyan improve anything about my experience of Chemistry? Is this because I had a more diverse experience of the course?
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