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[swacademic]

I know that others have asked for options related to accounting, or pointed out that they can't move, but my situation is a bit different...

I'm a mid-career community college professor with two master's degrees seeeking a PhD (not EdD or DBA) in business or (much less likely) information systems/technology.

True, I can't/don't want to move... but like most academics I have my summers off that I can dedicate to residency, and I also theoretically have a *full year* I can also take off - 1 semester with full pay, the other on sabbatical.  As such I can dedicate some considerable time on-campus if need-be.

I am already fully aware of the standard online, non-trad options (Walden, Fielding, UoP, etc.)... BUT...

What I'm looking for is a quality, reputable program that is in a respected school that cares about quality and has a brick-and-mortar presence - and one that has some flexibility.  I am NOT concerned with AACSB accreditation, nor am I concerned about the notion of it allowing me to teach at a top-tier institution.  (It doesn't have to be a top 25 school or anything like that - a state or regional university, private college, etc. would be fine.)

Ultimately my objective would be to move into mid/upper-level administration (dean, maybe VP, but not presidency), but I don't want to get one of those ultra-specific degrees in higher education administration that are readily available, but not very useful outside of academe (if I decide to leave).

If anyone knows of any schools that might be will to work with a professor who has a good deal of teaching background and can provide reasonable assurance of completing the degree program, I would really appreciate it.

swacademic

[zharkov]

See John Bear's guides to non-traditional doctorates. (A limited residency or summer program is non traditional, not just online programs.)

An alternative to a summer program may be one that meets every so many weekends.  I believe that GWU (in DC) has an Ed.D in educational leadership like that.  Franklin Pierce in NH also has a doctoral program that includes monthly weekend meetings and online work.  Union Institute used to have seminars in the summer, although I get the impression they do more online now.

[swacademic]

Hi Hans;

Thanks for the post.  I've seen Bear's Guide, but his focus does seem to be much more on schools that are "notable" for being nontraditional, while I'm looking for one that is equally distinguishable as either being online or on the ground.  Union is much more online, and does have some reputation problems within academia that could sour a search committee.

The other issues is the EdD v. PhD.  Your right - there are a lot of EdDs programs out there, but I'm trying to avoid the stigma that is also associated with an EdD - again - by some search committees.

I know I'm not going to please everyone, but I'd let to get a doctorate that is as "bias-neutral" as possible, and a PhD from a know quantity is my best bet.  I'm just challenged with finding one out there that is at least a *little* flexible with their residency requirements.

swacademic

[wegie]

If you don't mind getting your PhD from this side of the pond, Aston would be a very good place to get a PhD from.

[gourmand601]

I would just like to chime in here. I cannot speak for all institutions, traditional and nontraditional, but I can say that Walden University is a well-respected and high ranked institution. It has a Carnegie designation as being a Doctoral Research Intensive University since 2000 (Refer  www.waldenu.edu/c/About/About_221.htm ), which would yield Walden University being a Tier 2 research university, which is where Most universities stand. (Refer http://www.carnegiefoundation.org/classifications/sub.asp?key=748&subkey=13669&start=782 .) All of this in accordance to the American Psychological Society’s distinction for 5 Research Tiers (Refer http://librarians.aps.org/tier2004.html . )

Walden has matched many top ranked traditional universities in various areas of research. The university sponsors an Academic Research Symposium each year, 2 Peer conferences, and numerous academic residencies throughout the academic year.

Things to note:  All Walden dissertations are published in the Proquest UMI Database, Walden has an alumni magazine that showcases the great things the university’s alumni are doing out in the real and academic worlds (Ref: http://alumnimag.waldenu.edu/ ), hosts four peer reviewed journals: Journal of Social Change (Ref: http://www.journalofsocialchange.org/e/JournalHome.htm ), Journal of Social, Behavorial, and Health Sciences(www.jsbhs.org/), International Journal of Applied Management and Technology (www.ijamt.org/IJAMT/IJAMT_home.htm), and the Journal of Educational Practice for Social Change (jepsc.org/). The university also has chapters in the following organizations: Education: Phi Delta Kappa; Psychology: Psi Chi National Honor Society, Management: Sigma Iota Epsilon National Honorary and Professional Management Fraternity. Commencement is traditional and is a must see http://streaming.waldenu.edu/Commencement_Summer07.wmv .

And final.... If ANY of you have insecurities about attending Walden University or ANY institution (traditional or non)... don't go! Why waste your time and money if you’re not going to make it work for you?
I have earned degrees from AACSB and ACBSP accredited business schools... and did extremely well on the GMAT.... I could have gone anywhere... especially back to my alma mater for free. But I guarantee you that my level of writing and research would not have been as good as it is at Walden. Walden's dissertations are published in UMI... my alma mater's isn't. My publications have my name on them… not my doctoral advisor’s as it would have been at a traditional university.

I believe in Walden's mission and its product. It's been growing strong for nearly 40 years and has never been denied accreditation!

I have already been offered an associate professorship at a private college, been published in peer reviewed journals, have 8 articles in peer review now, am an academic reader for a peer reviewed journal in the social sciences, and am a candidate for a financial honorarium at Walden University for my research. .... and it's because of my work.. not the school name or brand.

Lets not let disgruntled hearts and ignorance interfere with our desires to earn an advanced degree.. check it out for yourself... the information is there!

[bamabound]

I have several ideas, which I am also considering for myself but they are all DBAs not PhDs.  The lack of part-time PhD's from reputable schools with a brick 'n mortar presence is telling.  If you would consider a DBA here are my top picks:

Nova Southeastern has a DBA with limited residencies (AACSB candidate)
University of Florida is initiating a DBA for 2008 (AACSB even though you said you don't care)
Athabasca University (in Alberta) has a DBA starting in 2008 (has Middle States Accreditation plus rigorous Canadian Provincial accreditation). 
Grenoble has a DBA with some on site seminars in the US plus some in France. Grenoble has AACSB plus other accreditations.

Aston is probably the only programme that I know of that is a PhD instead of a DBA that meets your criteria but there may be more in England.  I think it would be a great experience and visiting England wouldn’t be a bad place to visit. 

[larryc]

Good Lord "True Scholar" you have just pasted the exact same post into four different discussions!

OP, avoid Walden University at all costs. What kind of institution pays people to post poorly-written spam on message boards to promote its program?

[clean]

I am NOT concerned with AACSB accreditation, nor am I concerned about the notion of it allowing me to teach at a top-tier institution. 

You should be.

If it is your goal to change jobs to teach at a compas point, regional institution, THEY may be concerned with accreditation.

Look at the job ads and see.

I spent 45 seconds on my discipline's primary job listing site.  Here is part of a job announcement from the Financial Management Association job pages:

Minimum Education & Experience Requirements: A doctoral degree from an AACSB accredited university is required for
the tenure track position. However, ABD’s may be considered for a temporary appointment.

So, before you spend a lot of time, effort and energy, make sure that you are going to get what you need. 

As far as I am aware, a PhD in business is a full time proposition.  If I were hiring someone, I would want them to be from a full time - "Traditional" - program.  Teaching experience is nice.  "Real World" experience is wonderful.  A PhD is a requirement. 

(Oh, and I could clearly be wrong, but I was not really aware that there was a big difference between a PhD and a DBA.)

Good luck on what you decide.

Clean

[gourmand601]

Good Lord "True Scholar" you have just pasted the exact same post into four different discussions!

OP, avoid Walden University at all costs. What kind of institution pays people to post poorly-written spam on message boards to promote its program?

Whether I post the same thing 100 or 1000 times.... it doesn't matter because that's just how many times I found unsupported opinions on several blogs. My response addresses each.

What's interesting is that out of all I have stated you still can't find my post to be unsupported, untrue, or biased. I don't deal with opinions.

[imawakenow]

Good Lord "True Scholar" you have just pasted the exact same post into four different discussions!

OP, avoid Walden University at all costs. What kind of institution pays people to post poorly-written spam on message boards to promote its program?

Whether I post the same thing 100 or 1000 times.... it doesn't matter because that's just how many times I found unsupported opinions on several blogs. My response addresses each.

What's interesting is that out of all I have stated you still can't find my post to be unsupported, untrue, or biased. I don't deal with opinions.

I asked you in the link to provide an example of support for your claim "Walden has matched many top ranked traditional universities in various areas of research."

Please provide an example or STFU.

[gourmand601]

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I asked you in the link to provide an example of support for your claim "Walden has matched many top ranked traditional universities in various areas of research."

Please provide an example or STFU.
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b]someone has gotten angry. now is that type of language necessary? [/b]

you asked me to prove where Walden is has matched many top universities....

but i want you to show me where Walden has NOT. i provided plenty of evidence to support my claim. you provide evidence to support yours....

[imawakenow]

You've made an assertion.

You can't support the assertion.

Again, it's simple--provide one example of that supports your claim "Walden has matched many top ranked traditional universities in various areas of research."

[betterslac]

Good Lord "True Scholar" you have just pasted the exact same post into four different discussions!

OP, avoid Walden University at all costs. What kind of institution pays people to post poorly-written spam on message boards to promote its program?

Whether I post the same thing 100 or 1000 times.... it doesn't matter because that's just how many times I found unsupported opinions on several blogs. My response addresses each.

What's interesting is that out of all I have stated you still can't find my post to be unsupported, untrue, or biased. I don't deal with opinions.

Maybe this is the same flack company that did the Oxford Round Table spamming-- we are a blog!

[gourmand601]

You've made an assertion.

You can't support the assertion.

Again, it's simple--provide one example of that supports your claim "Walden has matched many top ranked traditional universities in various areas of research."

I see you just don't get it.

[imawakenow]

I see you just don't get it.

Sure, I get it. You've made claims that you can't back up. Now you're resorting to a rhetorical strategy of shifting the burden of proof to me.

Anyway, you've hijacked this thread long enough. Please start a new thread if you have anything else to say.