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ghostrider
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« on: October 09, 2007, 06:12:23 PM »

I've heard it's expensive to live in Bellingham--does anyone know if this is true? And while we're on the subject, does anyone have opinions about Western Washington University--environment, town, atmosphere etc. Thanks
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rainbow
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 02:16:25 PM »


I am originally from Washington although not Bellingham.  My parents grew up in a town nearby, where my grandpa still lives, and my dad went to Western.  I have some familiarity with the general area so that I know that if I had the oppty to teach at Western I would!

The area in general is fabulous if you like outdoor activities; Mountains, the Sound, and San Juan islands are all in your backyard (as is Canada).  Chuckanut drive is beautiful and we used to spend lots of times in the towns along it when I was very young--a family member had a cabin there.

The area has also developed a lot since when I was a kid (used to be farm after farm along I-5) but I imagine that property is still significanlty less than Seattle.

Wish I could give you more specifics on the area.  HTH
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ptprof
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2007, 03:02:25 PM »

A friend of mine lives in Tacoma and loves to go up to Bellingham for outdoor vacation.  They had an opening in my field last year and she told you have to love the outdoors to enjoy Bellingham.  I have no idea of cost of living however.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2007, 05:42:06 PM »

Bellingham, I know it well. Housing costs have gotten very high but other costs are not bad. Bellingham has changed a lot over the last decade and the area is still in transition. People tend to like it when they visit and choose not to leave, which in combination with the history of Canadians coming down to shop means there are many more shopping/arts opportunities than similarly-sized towns elsewhere. It has become known as a retirement destination so the senior population is substantial. The scenery and outdoor opportunities are incredible, and there are some gorgeous parks. However there is a lot of small town hassle, e.g. sexism in hiring and promotion (less evident in the university but really serious elsewhere), corruption in local government (not long ago the mayor used public funds to pick up a Russian mail order bride), awful hospital and health care (though you won't get anyone local to admit it). The public K-12 schools are also pretty sad and the limited private alternatives are worse. Bellingham also has an even more severe case of "Seattle Freeze" than Seattle--it can take years to make local friends.

The university has historically been a TWTh commuter campus, with many students returning home for long weekends rather than living locally, though that may be changing. Not the most motivated student population in general, and the English faculty end up teaching a lot of remedial grammar and composition, but some of the students are bright and the appeal of living in the area draws more talented faculty than might otherwise be expected. There is virtually no graduate program; it was only promoted from Western Washington State College a few decades back and they haven't added much. Overall you could do a lot worse, but you'll be happier if you go in with your eyes open.
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larryc
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2007, 05:46:37 PM »

There was an article in the Chronicle a few years back about how the author fell in love with Bellingham when she moved there for a job. Until the rain came.  The winter is month after month of gray, where small children whimper and say "Mommy, is the sun ever coming back?"

And yet I would move there in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2007, 06:42:39 PM »

Bellingham, I know it well. Housing costs have gotten very high but other costs are not bad. Bellingham has changed a lot over the last decade and the area is still in transition. People tend to like it when they visit and choose not to leave, which in combination with the history of Canadians coming down to shop means there are many more shopping/arts opportunities than similarly-sized towns elsewhere. It has become known as a retirement destination so the senior population is substantial. The scenery and outdoor opportunities are incredible, and there are some gorgeous parks.

Well, true so far.

However there is a lot of small town hassle, e.g. sexism in hiring and promotion (less evident in the university but really serious elsewhere), corruption in local government (not long ago the mayor used public funds to pick up a Russian mail order bride),

That's half truth at best and closer to slander. 


awful hospital and health care (though you won't get anyone local to admit it). The public K-12 schools are also pretty sad and the limited private alternatives are worse.


Blatantly not true.  It  sounds like pasdemaison in describing Bellingham 30 years ago.

The university has historically been a TWTh commuter campus, with many students returning home for long weekends rather than living locally, though that may be changing. Not the most motivated student population in general, and the English faculty end up teaching a lot of remedial grammar and composition, but some of the students are bright and the appeal of living in the area draws more talented faculty than might otherwise be expected. There is virtually no graduate program; it was only promoted from Western Washington State College a few decades back and they haven't added much. Overall you could do a lot worse, but you'll be happier if you go in with your eyes open.

Now this is really odd.  I've never heard anyone describe Western as a commuter campus.  Many more students apply to WWU that WWU can take, so it is actually quite selective these days and the students are bright. although a bit obsessed with skiing and snowboarding.  The grad program is large and quite dynamic for a Masters Granting University.  I'm not really sure what University pasdemaison is describing... maybe WWU circa 1966.

What is true is that Bellingham is an expensive place to live now (median house price is over $300,000) and houses around campus are even more expensive.  Faculty salaries have NOT kept pace with housing prices.  Some new TT hires are still under 50K. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 12:29:04 PM »

It's true that most of my experience in Bellingham was some time ago, but I have local family and visit regularly. The schools may have improved, but a family friend who retired from one of the high schools five years ago doesn't think so. Traveling nurses I know who have rotated through the local hospital are vehement that the health care system is awful. One arranged to transfer a patient to Mt. Vernon, of all places, because of the poor care received in Bellingham. There are some good physicians but it's hit or miss whether you'll be treated by one if you're really sick.

The commuter campus description as well as the perspective on the graduate program came from two English professors who left the campus several years ago for that reason, and from a colleague who took both math and science courses at Western while in high school (and who burst out laughing when I asked him just now whether the local schools prepared him well for college). Things may have changed since then.

But it's always been very pretty.
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