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True, but there are plenty of SC's who ignore candidates that are no longer under consideration in what seems to be a show of disdain. For example, I applied to Worcester Polytechnic Institute, and because I didn't hear from them for two months, emailed the SCC to inquire, but heard nothing back. I then find out from the job wiki that the people on the shortlist are getting regular updates. So, it's not a legal issue, but an issue of: "since we have no need for you, you're not worth 30 seconds of our time". Likely true, but I have a long memory.
Nope--at two of the three schools I've taught at, SC's are enjoined by HR policy from communicating anything to candidates until the successful candidate has been hired. Everyone is still technically "under consideration" until the position is legally filled. |
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« Reply #421 on: March 11, 2010, 06:26:13 PM » |
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True, but there are plenty of SC's who ignore candidates that are no longer under consideration in what seems to be a show of disdain. For example, I applied to Worcester Polytechnic Institute, and because I didn't hear from them for two months, emailed the SCC to inquire, but heard nothing back. I then find out from the job wiki that the people on the shortlist are getting regular updates. So, it's not a legal issue, but an issue of: "since we have no need for you, you're not worth 30 seconds of our time". Likely true, but I have a long memory.
Nope--at two of the three schools I've taught at, SC's are enjoined by HR policy from communicating anything to candidates until the successful candidate has been hired. Everyone is still technically "under consideration" until the position is legally filled. True, this is the case for some places, but in my field, in most cases, once the short list is established, rejections go out to everybody else. Everybody on the shortlist is under consideration until the position has been offered and accepted. In any case, I have been in searches where the SC responded only to short-listed candidates - one search, a colleague was short-listed, I was not. Guess who got a response to "what is the status of the search", and whose email was ignored? |
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« Reply #422 on: March 11, 2010, 06:30:29 PM » |
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True, but there are plenty of SC's who ignore candidates that are no longer under consideration in what seems to be a show of disdain. For example, I applied to Worcester Polytechnic Institute, and because I didn't hear from them for two months, emailed the SCC to inquire, but heard nothing back. I then find out from the job wiki that the people on the shortlist are getting regular updates. So, it's not a legal issue, but an issue of: "since we have no need for you, you're not worth 30 seconds of our time". Likely true, but I have a long memory.
Nope--at two of the three schools I've taught at, SC's are enjoined by HR policy from communicating anything to candidates until the successful candidate has been hired. Everyone is still technically "under consideration" until the position is legally filled. True, this is the case for some places, but in my field, in most cases, once the short list is established, rejections go out to everybody else. Everybody on the shortlist is under consideration until the position has been offered and accepted. In any case, I have been in searches where the SC responded only to short-listed candidates - one search, a colleague was short-listed, I was not. Guess who got a response to "what is the status of the search", and whose email was ignored? OK, so there is a conspiracy. PM me, Mouseman. I'm so weary this evening that I'd hire you, if only to impersonate me for the next year or two while I hide in the basement, clanking the steam pipes. |
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« Reply #423 on: March 11, 2010, 06:44:05 PM » |
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I guess that makes sense (that they have to wait to announce that we have been rejected until the 1st choice signs.)
I am currently a TT at a good state school, but I was hoping to move to an R1 in a new city.
I spent the first 4 weeks hoping it was just delays, and over-analyzing ever thing I had said during the interview. Now that I am fairly certain i didn't get it I have finally managed to relax.
From other posts, never hearing from the SC again seems fairly common. I was shortlisted and had a campus interview at another school (also an R1) a few years back and never heard from them again. The director and chair were both on their way out so I guess they didn't feel it was necessary to communicate with the candidates after they had made a decision.
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« Reply #424 on: March 11, 2010, 06:46:47 PM » |
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True, but there are plenty of SC's who ignore candidates that are no longer under consideration in what seems to be a show of disdain. For example, I applied to Worcester Polytechnic Institute, and because I didn't hear from them for two months, emailed the SCC to inquire, but heard nothing back. I then find out from the job wiki that the people on the shortlist are getting regular updates. So, it's not a legal issue, but an issue of: "since we have no need for you, you're not worth 30 seconds of our time". Likely true, but I have a long memory.
Nope--at two of the three schools I've taught at, SC's are enjoined by HR policy from communicating anything to candidates until the successful candidate has been hired. Everyone is still technically "under consideration" until the position is legally filled. True, this is the case for some places, but in my field, in most cases, once the short list is established, rejections go out to everybody else. Everybody on the shortlist is under consideration until the position has been offered and accepted. In any case, I have been in searches where the SC responded only to short-listed candidates - one search, a colleague was short-listed, I was not. Guess who got a response to "what is the status of the search", and whose email was ignored? OK, so there is a conspiracy. PM me, Mouseman. I'm so weary this evening that I'd hire you, if only to impersonate me for the next year or two while I hide in the basement, clanking the steam pipes. Nah, no conspiracy, just some obnoxious people on SC's out there... Hire me, please, I do a great Tractor impersonation, loved by toddlers far and wide! I'd have to paint myself yellow to impersonate you, though. |
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« Reply #425 on: March 17, 2010, 01:14:53 PM » |
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<< I posted to the wrong thread - sorry. So I moved it elsewhere.>>
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« Reply #426 on: March 21, 2010, 09:22:52 AM » |
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It's only my second year on the full-time job search and I have lots of adjunct work, some of which actually pays reasonably well ($3k/class), but I am very disheartened by the whole process. I am wondering what is wrong with me that I can make it to final interviews and not get hired and I am wondering what made me think this was a good idea.
I have a campus and phone interview coming up, so I can't keep this negative attitude. I'm hoping writing it down will delete it from my system.
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« Reply #427 on: March 22, 2010, 04:17:58 PM » |
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It's only my second year on the full-time job search and I have lots of adjunct work, some of which actually pays reasonably well ($3k/class), but I am very disheartened by the whole process. I am wondering what is wrong with me that I can make it to final interviews and not get hired and I am wondering what made me think this was a good idea.
I have a campus and phone interview coming up, so I can't keep this negative attitude. I'm hoping writing it down will delete it from my system.
Well, what's wrong with you is that you're applying for jobs in an ugly beast of a job market. The fact that you're getting interviews is good news, on the whole. Good luck and best wishes. |
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« Reply #428 on: March 22, 2010, 07:04:33 PM » |
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Thank you, Conjugate.
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« Reply #429 on: March 23, 2010, 09:23:42 PM » |
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There was a recent thread about being phoned to be rejected from a job you applied for and whether that was a good or bad thing. I can't find that thread and so am posting here. I was interviewed on Monday. The director of the department I applied to (I'm in a related department on campus) e-mailed me today saying he wants to set up a meeting next Monday with me. Subject not specified. I'm guessing he is either going to offer me the job or discuss an alternative like a one year position or something. He wouldn't call em to his office just to reject me. Would he? He is pretty well-known for telling people to phone or meet with him when he has nothing much to say... So maybe he will meet me and reject me in person? This is driving me crazy. This isn't in the US BTW though we do speak English here if that makes a difference.
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« Reply #430 on: March 23, 2010, 09:32:30 PM » |
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Magic 8 ball says......too soon to tell.
Seriously, I think you have answered your own question. The meeting could be about anything. Do more applications, grade something, go away for the weekend and take your mind off it. Take the meeting as it comes.
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« Reply #431 on: March 24, 2010, 03:20:40 PM » |
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I've decided to keep away from my job wiki - so far, there has been nothing that I have learned from it that is good. As long as I assume that, unless I hear from the place, than they've rejected me, visiting the wiki is a useless waste of time, as is looking at the candidates who have been invited for interviews. If they are more qualifies than I ma for the job, it depresses me, if they are less qualified, it angers and frustrates me.
It's been five days now since I last looked at the job wiki. So far, so good.
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« Reply #432 on: March 24, 2010, 10:30:05 PM » |
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Just wanted to be a quick cheerleader....
You never know when something is going to open. And sometimes it can really surprise you (me=recently surprised). So don't despair everyone! We'll all make it some day, some time, some where, probably when we least expect it. So keep yourself open to possibility and hold on to belief in what you've worked so hard to accomplish.
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« Reply #433 on: March 24, 2010, 10:36:52 PM » |
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Yeah for you, divingmusician!
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« Reply #434 on: March 29, 2010, 10:49:07 PM » |
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Hi, I wanted to ask if anyone knows at what point it is appropriate to remove the name of one's dissertation adviser from the CV. I defended my dissertation and have had at least two (VAP) job.
At what point is the dissertation chair's name no longer necessary in one's CV?
Thanks, -romance
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