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[draco]

QED.

VP

I reported you to the moderator too. Read the bylaws and rules of the website.

What a dirty name to call someone VP.  I never knew that a "QED" was such an offensive thing to be called.

aside to eyetoeye:  that was sarcasm, not irony.

[voxprincipalis]

QED.

VP

I reported you to the moderator too. Read the bylaws and rules of the website.

Tee hee.

You don't realize how on-topic this is, which is part of the whole problem. The rest of the world doesn't conform to your perceptions. Whenever I hear a story about one person who says that the entire rest of the world persists in misunderstanding them, whose problem do you think that is? Could it be that the entire rest of the world is at fault? Apparently so.

And on your entirely mistaken assertion that there is no measurable difference between irony and sarcasm -- so if I'm writing an essay on The Gift of the Magi, and I assert that the husband's sale of his gold watch to buy the hair combs for his wife, who has (unbeknownst to him) cut off all her hair to pay for the chain for the gold watch (which he of course has sold, unbeknownst to her) is sarcastic rather than ironic, I can get an A on that essay, since those two terms are functionally identical? Good to know.

Go ahead, report me again.

VP

[eyetoeye]

QED.

VP

I reported you to the moderator too. Read the bylaws and rules of the website.

Tee hee.

You don't realize how on-topic this is, which is part of the whole problem. The rest of the world doesn't conform to your perceptions. Whenever I hear a story about one person who says that the entire rest of the world persists in misunderstanding them, whose problem do you think that is? Could it be that the entire rest of the world is at fault? Apparently so.

And on your entirely mistaken assertion that there is no measurable difference between irony and sarcasm -- so if I'm writing an essay on The Gift of the Magi, and I assert that the husband's sale of his gold watch to buy the hair combs for his wife, who has (unbeknownst to him) cut off all her hair to pay for the chain for the gold watch (which he of course has sold, unbeknownst to her) is sarcastic rather than ironic, I can get an A on that essay, since those two terms are functionally identical? Good to know.

Go ahead, report me again.

VP

You claim to speak for the "rest of the world"? Wow. No wonder you're at war.

[illuminata]

hm.....let's review.....eyetoeye has reported so far 2 posters to the mods for being mean to hu.

WHO thinks hu is the index of deep thought?

And is a whiny snitch? hm.........

[larryc]

Mom! Billy keeps looking at me!

[london1]

Another troll emerges.  Perhaps Eyetoeye will join Zafir, Ellenm, Goldstein and all of the Oxford Round Table clones under the bridge.

[verbena]

Oh, I thought it said "iconic threads." I thought this would be, like, the meta-HOF thread.

[_touchedbyanoodle_]

Random House Thesauras lists sarcasm as a synonym for irony. According to Random House the difference isn't worth mentioning.

You misunderstand the function of a thesaurus.

And of posting in an academic forum. If you are unable to take the heat, stay out of the kitchen, and for godssakes, don't light the furnace (mixed metaphor, not meant as irony).

ha! You reported *larryc* to the mods? Oh my god. I'm laughing so hard I can't type......

Personally, I choked and then spit all over my screen. I wonder if the mods ignored him or actually told him to bugger off?

[grasshopper]

At least this T. is kind of funny.



I wouldn't want to start a war or anything, but I've been trying to distinguish the difference between sarcastic and sardonic for a while. Anyone have any ideas?

I also have a difficult time defining the differences between ironic and satirical. Irony is so often a part of satire that it's hard to separate them. Can anybody help me out?

[_touchedbyanoodle_]

I'll have to think on sarcastic and sardonic, but as far as satire and ironic go, I think of irony as a common element of satire. However, the reverse, satire as an element of irony doesn't work because irony can be used outside of satire.

[london1]

Sarcastic vs. Sardonic?

Good question.  I think sarcastic comments are directed towards others while sardonic comments are directed towards oneself.  I'm not positive, though.  Anyone?  Buehler?  Eyetoeye?

[spork]

You are confusing proper irony with other things such as sarcasm. Nothing that you have mentioned thus far is actually ironic. Perhaps this is part of your problem.

I have the same problem in trying to distinguish parody from satire.

[georgia_guy]

Ironic threads--how to spot them

1) when they are this thread.
2) When someone finds themselves in a hole, and responds by digging.
3) etc.

[verbena]

Vercotti: Doug (takes a drink) Well, I was terrified. Everyone was terrified of Doug. I've seen grown men pull their own heads off rather than see Doug. Even Dinsdale was frightened of Doug.

2nd Interviewer: What did he do?

Vercotti: He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious.

Presenter: By a combination of violence and sarcasm, the Piranha brothers by February 1966 controlled London and the Southeast of England.

[Yes, it's ... Monty Python.]

[verbena]

Sarcastic vs. Sardonic?

Good question.  I think sarcastic comments are directed towards others while sardonic comments are directed towards oneself.  I'm not positive, though.  Anyone?  Buehler?  Eyetoeye?

Isn't the Greek root for sarcasm something to do with flesh-tearing? Did I make that up? Certainly sarcasm's nastier. Sardonic comments are more wry, reflecting dry wit and not an intention to hurt. Irony has to do with double meaning. Something (a fact, a comment) can simply be ironic, whereas parody requires a narrative, something that extends over time.

Yeesh. I just made all that up. Doesn't anyone look in the dictionary any more?