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Author Topic: Present at the Demise: Antioch College, 1852-2008 by Ralph Keyes  (Read 32224 times)
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2007, 01:00:26 AM »

"hate the sin love the sinner".  Tell me where this is in the Bible and I will then continue to discuss things with you.

The previous poster just asked if that was the quote, he/she did not say it came from the bible.  But then it is easier to make a snide remark and hide behind noxious behavior then answer any one of his/her comments in a reasoned, calm, and respectful manner.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2007, 02:01:05 AM »

Good show etcetera235!!! 

I'm happy to see an appropriately fair and reasoned response to the nonsense that k16 has been spattering here. 

And to be sure, the response you got from him/her only reinforces the inanity of his/her views on this.

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2007, 12:34:59 PM »

this may have been something that was often repeated at my church, I dont care to dig up its history.

However it is said that all are sinners.
So do you hate everyone?

In any case, I feel that you missed the point.
If an entire culture of people is percieved as being unhappy, there is always a reason. People, whatever thier views, deserve honesty and kindness. It's unfortunate and disheartening to hear in a forum of higher education, presumably frequented by the most educated minds, that people deserve to be discarded because the university couldnt meet the bottom line.  Is marketing and economics more important than the futures of those who worked so hard to teach mathmatics and botany and art. Of those who prune the trees and take out the trash, who cook and toil for the good of others.

There is nothing sinister about the daily activities of Antioch college. The people their are more genuine than most.  And I will say that hate is a very unchristian activity. If you think that quoting a few moments of Jesus expressing anger is justification for an overridding hate of large groups of people. Groups that are comprised of singular individuals. Than I can find no reasonable place to meet in this.  Forgiveness leads to love. This country shows little forgiveness and is rampant with those who choose daily to hurt others and speak negatively of others. Not very christian.
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2007, 01:06:24 PM »

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This country shows little forgiveness and is rampant with those who choose daily to hurt others and speak negatively of others. Not very christian.

Unforgiving, hurtful and negative is unchristian?
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2007, 03:06:38 PM »



"Unforgiving, hurtful and negative is unchristian? "

By the ideology as I know it.  Everyone iterprets it differently, but I think its un-christlike. 

But Yellow Springs in my mind is an amazing place, and Antioch doubly so.  This rash desicion by the BoT shows that they are too detatched from Antioch College to make the provisions to fix the financial situation.  They are too drawn thin with the other campuses that they feel forced to make the decision of which campus to close, and they choose Yellow Springs.  I think if they yeild the governance of the college to a local Board of Trustess that the administration can react quickly and be more effecient.  The CO2 emmisions from all the traveling that the university board have to do. I think running it local would work best. Business relationships with local suppliers and skilled professionals would help the surronding area with economic development and feelings of self-worth. 

Please visit there and see why it so amazing.  Its faculty, administration and staff are incredibly intelligent, creative and hard working.

They have changed my life, and continue to.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2007, 04:43:16 PM »

My point remains:

1)The quote is not in the bible, and it is regularly spewed by ignorami who want to reinvent Christianity according to their delusions.

2)Antioch, through its own stubborn insularity and refusal to change, has more or less destroyed itself.  Don't ask me to weep for it.
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2007, 01:48:42 PM »


July 23, 2007

I would like to respond to Ralph Keyes’s essay “Present at the Demise,” which offers his observations on what has led the Antioch University Board of Trustees to announce the closing of Antioch College.  I have been teaching literature full time at Antioch College since 1994.  While Mr Keyes makes some comments that strike me as valid, on the whole my experience here has been quite different.
I do sympathize with Mr Keyes’s dismay over the deteriorating physical condition of Antioch buildings, especially the Antioch Library.  I believe that he is correct to say that this neglect exemplifies an ongoing lack of appreciation for our excellent collections as a priceless resource, and represents the misplaced priorities of successive college and university administrations.  I can also attest to the damaging and destabilizing effects of frequent administrative turnover.  However, Mr Keyes's lengthy discussion of alleged illiberal behavior on the part of students and faculty creates the impression that this administrative turnover—and, indeed, the college’s proposed closure itself--are primarily due to an endemic culture of intolerance.  Instead, I would argue that the college’s chronic financial shortfalls, the result of an ill-spent endowment, and the increasingly constricting and unbalanced relationship between Antioch College and the larger University have led us to this sad point.  Given the structural power vacuum that developed against the College and in favor of the University, the proclivities of college students, good or bad, are largely irrelevant.  In my view, the far more serious threat to the intellectual freedom and culture of inquiry which Keyes claims to champion comes from the hiring practices of institutions like Antioch University.  Rather than support the established academic practice of tenure they choose to employ instructors on temporary contracts who can be fired at will if they happen to disagree with administrators.  A June report by Scott Carlson presents the alarming information that faculty members at the McGregor campus, the largest of the Antioch University satellites, “would not talk to the The Chronicle about the college’s closing or its future, fearing that to do so would put their jobs in jeopardy.”     

However, since the issue of supposedly intolerant students shutting down free speech has been given so much air time, I would like to say for the record that teaching Antioch students has almost always been a delight.  Unlike Mr Keyes, I find piercings, tattoos, and discussions of safe sex practices in the student newspaper unremarkable.  I have encountered very little disrespect in my classes during my thirteen years of teaching here (which I could not say, incidentally, about my time at Ohio State).  When I have come across what I perceived as immature behavior or intellectual irresponsibility, I have done my best to model fairness and open-mindedness along with intellectual seriousness.  Dwindling support staff and student services have, no doubt, contributed to a particularly unsettled atmosphere on campus of late.
Mr Keyes makes another major misjudgment when he characterizes controversial student choices of commencement speakers as yet another sign of a self-absorbed campus culture.  Quite the opposite.  Far from expressing “student indifference to outside concerns,” providing the opportunity for the condemned prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal to be heard via audio tape during the 2000 Antioch commencement ceremony (the official speaker was Leslie Feinberg) was a deliberate political statement in support of an international campaign for a new trial.  This campaign was organized by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the National Lawyer’s Guild, and the NAACP, among others.  The students’ decision to provide a platform for Abu-Jamal was accompanied by teach-ins and extensive media outreach in order to promote conversations about free speech, the death penalty, the explosion of U.S. incarceration rates, and the persistent racist bias in the U.S. criminal justice system, a bias well-documented by sociological and legal research (see, for example, the website of The Sentencing Project, www.sentencing project.org or 360 Degrees of Criminal Justice, 360degrees.org/ddata/index/html).  In the winter of  2001 the Republican governor of Illinois announced a moratorium on the death penalty in his state due to ongoing revelations of false convictions.  To express concern about the fairness of Mumia Abu-Jamal’s trial by the state of Pennsylvania under these conditions ought to be, it seemed to me then and seems to me still, a relatively uncontroversial matter.  Reasonable people have disagreed on whether or not Mumia had grounds for an appeal; in December of 2005 the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia did in fact decide in his favor.  Yet Antioch was vilified in the press and our decision drew a barrage of harassment, hate mail, and death threats.  About 600 angry police protestors and their allies descended upon the commencement ceremony to register their opposition.  “Now Mumia sits in a six-foot cell--but soon he will burn in HELL!” was one of the milder signs outraged demonstrators were waving that day.  To their credit, both the Antioch Community and the Village of Yellow Springs remained calm and resolute in the face of such intimidation and the ceremony proceeded peacefully.  I view that commencement day as another example in the long history of Antioch College's taking highly unpopular stands that ultimately turn out to be not so crazy after all—the abolition of slavery, support of women’s rights to higher education, support of the Civil Rights Movement, opposition to the Viet Nam War, attacking the widespread problem of date rape—the list goes on. 

Unlike Keyes, I have been happy to have the opportunity to hear graduation speeches by Manning Marable, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Stephen Jay Gould, Winona LaDuke, Amy Goodman, James Loewen, and Bobby Seale--a spectrum of distinguished academics, journalists, and political activists.  I have been proud to work at a college where the seniors themselves have (until the president reversed this policy last year) chosen commencement speakers, and selected them out of a genuine commitment to the progressive values these people stand for.     

Finally, I feel that in the midst of sensational accounts of student styles, ‘street talk,’ and alleged sexual practices, a fundamental fact is being obscured:  Antioch students have continued to succeed academically in the most rigorous and competitive environments.  However much conservative commentators may choose to abuse the intellectual abilities of Antiochians, those who actually teach them every day tend to come to different conclusions--and so have the nation’s best professional schools, graduate programs, and grant-awarding agencies.  I am currently in contact with former students who are attending the Berkeley School of Law, the Columbia School of Journalism, and the Library Science Program at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; with students who are completing doctorates in Anthropology at Cornell University, in Philosophy at the Sorbonne, in International Studies at George Washington University, and in Literature or Cultural Studies at the Universities of Washington, Virginia, and Ohio State.  Creative Writing students are attending (or have attended) Master of Fine Arts Programs at New York University, the Universities of  Michigan, Wisconsin, Houston, and Oregon, among others.  Recent students have received Fulbright Fellowships and been accepted into the prestigious School of Criticism and Theory at Cornell University.  These are but a few of many possible examples I could cite, and every faculty member could produce their own list.  By the measure of graduate admissions rates (and that, of course, is only one measure) we continue to outstrip that of larger and far more financially stable colleges and universities.  This high rate of academic success is also due to Antioch’s innovative Co-operative Education program which requires that students work at jobs around the country and around the world in between their study semesters on campus.  And our tradition of student involvement in community decision-making and college governance provides leadership skills and a sense of efficacy that few other educational models can match.     

Antiochians are currently waging a valiant fight to save their college (see the website Antiochians.org for details).  This distinctive small liberal arts college deserves much more credit than it has received of late for its production of so many independent-minded, creative and socially-committed scholars and citizens.  At this moment the future is uncertain:  we could be closed down in June of 2008 to make way for a high-tech University of Phoenix-clone staffed by instructors and adjuncts and become just another bland addition to the corporate educational landscape.  Or we could rise again.  If the former comes to pass not only will this particular faculty and staff be unemployed but the larger struggle to maintain the tradition of tenure--and the related principle of the independence of higher education from commercial interests and pressures--will have taken another significant step backwards.  Anyone interested in preserving spaces for genuinely free thought in this country, as Mr Keyes claims to be, should be working for Antioch College's salvation, not morbidly applauding its premature demise.         

Jean Gregorek
Associate Professor of Literature
Antioch College
Yellow Springs, Ohio





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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2007, 04:30:22 PM »

...providing the opportunity for the condemned prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal to be heard via audio tape during the 2000 Antioch commencement ceremony (the official speaker was Leslie Feinberg) was a deliberate political statement in support of an international campaign for a new trial.

This just killed it for me.  It doesn't matter what the topic is; Iraq, Global Warming, Animal Rights, someone, somewhere, always has to bring up Mumia Abu-Jamal. 

For me, this immediately ends all credibility for the speaker in my mind.

Watch.  Any moment now, the speachifying will begin.  Someone form a drum circle.

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This campaign was organized by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the National Lawyer’s Guild, and the NAACP, among others.  The students’ decision to provide a platform for Abu-Jamal was accompanied by teach-ins and extensive media outreach in order to promote conversations about free speech, the death penalty, the explosion of U.S. incarceration rates, and the persistent racist bias in the U.S. criminal justice system, a bias well-documented by sociological and legal research (see, for example, the website of The Sentencing Project, www.sentencing project.org or 360 Degrees of Criminal Justice, 360degrees.org/ddata/index/html).

See, that didn't take long. 

What happend to discussing why Antioch closed?


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About 600 angry police protestors and their allies descended upon the commencement ceremony to register their opposition.  “Now Mumia sits in a six-foot cell--but soon he will burn in HELL!” was one of the milder signs outraged demonstrators were waving that day.

Uh, yeah, well, the guy murdered a cop.  People get mad about that sort of thing.

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I have been happy to have the opportunity to hear graduation speeches by Manning Marable, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Stephen Jay Gould, Winona LaDuke, Amy Goodman, James Loewen, and Bobby Seale--a spectrum of distinguished academics, journalists, and political activists

Well, I guess those are a few things you can call them.  I've got other terms, but we're talking about how Antioch isn't a super-exclusive, Liberal college that wishes it was Berkeley in the 1960's.

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Antiochians are currently waging a valiant fight to save their college (see the website Antiochians.org for details).

I'm sure this will be successful.  Look at how that Mumia's doing now that all of the protesting got him released from...oh, right, he's still on death row.

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...we could be closed down in June of 2008 to make way for a high-tech University of Phoenix-clone staffed by instructors and adjuncts and become just another bland addition to the corporate educational landscape.

A clone that has a solid business model...

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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2007, 04:44:52 PM »

Jean:  Thank you for your articulate, reasoned post on the matter.  - DvF
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2007, 05:37:40 PM »

Seems to me that Antioch is an extreme case of conflict between professional, career oriented education and the LAC tradition. Resources that could have been directed to Antioch College went to the University. Opening a branch of Antioch University in Yellow Springs but not on the college campus is a prime example of this. This conflict exists at many schools.
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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2007, 06:07:18 PM »

Despite my earlier post, I'm not applauding the closing of another SLAC.  I really, truely wish they'd had someone in a leadership position who'd taken steps necessary to keep the school open. 

This isn't the faculty or student's fault, it's the administration's. 
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2007, 07:12:44 PM »

I was taught from my youth that it is inappropriate to mix education and religion...
No "Sunday School" in your church? :) (Joke!)

I haven't been giving this story much attention, but I thought that Keyes came off very well in this interview.
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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2007, 10:48:36 PM »

The woes of Antioch seem to me a sad tale, and although his argument is perhaps a bit overstated, I think Keye's must be hitting at least pretty close to the target.

To wit:

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Far from expressing “student indifference to outside concerns,” providing the opportunity for the condemned prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal to be heard via audio tape during the 2000 Antioch commencement ceremony (the official speaker was Leslie Feinberg) was a deliberate political statement in support of an international campaign for a new trial. 
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Anyone who holds this guy up as the poster child for the inherent social inequities of modern society is, well, I'm not sure what they are, but I'm pretty sure they have put prejudice and emotionality ahead of reason, scholarship, and the free marketplace of ideas. 

It's hard to imagine the murky depths of group-think that would make a hero of Mumia Abu-Jamal, but it does seem quite consistent with Keye's description of intolerance among Antioch students towards those with opposing views and other such .  Personally, I'm a left-wing progressive, and to me Mumia-worship is just lunatic fringe nonsense that is far more akin to the intellectual climate of a Liberty or Bob Jones University than even a second or third tier state college. 

Combined with financial incompetence, I guess Antioch was doomed in body and spirit. 
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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2007, 07:19:02 AM »

Jean, you started off well in your discussion of the reasons for Antioch's demise -- a mismanaged endowment and the adjunctification of the faculty -- but as others have stated, you lost all credibility by mentioning the fact that a tape of Wesley Cook aka Mumia Abu-Jamal, the convicted cop killer, was played at an Antioch commencement.  Perhaps the Antioch faculty regarded Ed Asner as the height of scholarship.
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2007, 05:57:54 PM »

you lost all credibility by mentioning the fact that a tape of Wesley Cook aka Mumia Abu-Jamal, the convicted cop killer, was played at an Antioch commencement.

I don't think this is fair.  Many peple think that Mumia is "obviously" guilty, others think that he is obviously not.  The latter will naturally consider his treatment in the justice system extremely barbaric and a blight on the system, the former will consider it correct and evidence that the system works.  I'm in the habit of ignoring both sorts of arguments, and treating them as a kind of religion on the part of the adherents; just because someone says they are a {insert a religion you think is wacky here}, that doesn't mean they are not rational outside the narrow scope of their faith. - DvF
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