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Author Topic: Dawkins review of Behe  (Read 10526 times)
anthroid
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« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2007, 07:07:08 PM »

stapler has said it much better than I have.  Thanks for saying it so well!
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« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2007, 09:03:54 PM »

This is kind of fun... a civil discussion on a matter like this.  Am I still in the CHE forum?

Thank you for all the recent comments- I'll be away for two weeks or so but may peak in at times!
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« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2007, 09:08:11 PM »

While theologians may wish to spend their time coming up with religious perspectives that are 100% compatible with what scientists observe (and theorize), there is no room (or need) for "science" that includes supernatural powers as an explanatory mechanism in theorizing.  And in this sense there simple is no "theistic evolution" as a scientifically viable brand of evolution.

By the way, to which theologians are you referring?

I didn't word this very well.   And I don't even know if I'm using "theologians" in the same sense that scholars of religion use the term.  I get the feeling that "theologians" are a particular subspecialty within religious studies.  I suppose I'm using it to mean those scholars who are exclusively concerned with the logic or consistency of purely religious arguments/positions.  I see this as a brand of philosophy.  

Anyway, what I was trying to say was that it is possible to come up with a religious position that is 100% compatible with current scientific observation and in that sense cannot be rejected as untrue.  I suppose a lot of this would fall into the "god in the gaps" idea.  That god set-off the Big Bang is such a position.  That god caused the laws of nature to be the way they are (and evolution to work the way it does) is such a position.  

Only in this sense can science and religion be compatible.  

PS.  Hvernon, in response to your just posted post, you've done an admirable job of presenting what is clearly a minority position here.  And you have all my respect.
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« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2007, 11:23:54 PM »

This controversry could be settled with a public debate.

Don't hold your breath.
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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2007, 04:07:48 PM »

...because I'm sure everyone loves the fact that I'm pulling this thread back up...

I just ran across Behe's blog response to Dawkins' review as well as a few others.  I only read through his responses to Miller and Dawkins, but there are a few other entries as well.  It's worth reading, I think, considering the conversation that Dawkins' initial review prompted.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/A3DGRQ0IO7KYQ2/ref=cm_blog_pdp_blog/104-6006314-7291117
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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2007, 04:15:24 PM »

Amazon hosts blogs? When did that happen?
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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2007, 05:48:23 PM »

Amazon hosts blogs? When did that happen?

Well, Behe's first post to his blog was on May 14, 2007.  I'd noticed that Amazon was posting Q&As with some of the authors of books I've looked at recently, but I didn't know that sometimes it was a full blog.  I think this is a really neat way to connect authors and readers.

And back on topic, I haven't read Behe's blog yet, but I'll probably have some comments after I do.  The conversation in this forum has been remarkably civil!
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