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« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2007, 03:49:53 PM » |
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Sorry, I've had good luck not listing the dates of my BA (1978) - age 33 and MA (1982) - age 37. I DO list my PhD date (1996) - age 51. The purpose of this is precisely to disguise my age and get me an interview, which it has a number of times.
I'm glad it's worked for you. However, I feel that a candidate who is trying to hide things is... trying to hide things. Makes me much less interested. Though the PhD year is most relevant, the years of degrees along with the dates of employment give an idea of the applicant's working and intellectual development. Big holes or unknowns are generally a red flag (applicants who know they have red flags, can, of course, combat that with more pertinent info). Huh? I had quite a few years between degrees. That just means I worked in the 'real' world, which is a qualification for working in academia, last I noticed! Tell me one field where experience in the world outside of academia is not useful! You are preaching to the choir if you are addressing this question to me... :o)
Education.I don't know about Composition but Education is a field that values very highly experience outside of academia! |
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« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2007, 03:51:46 PM » |
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Sorry, I've had good luck not listing the dates of my BA (1978) - age 33 and MA (1982) - age 37. I DO list my PhD date (1996) - age 51. The purpose of this is precisely to disguise my age and get me an interview, which it has a number of times.
I'm glad it's worked for you. However, I feel that a candidate who is trying to hide things is... trying to hide things. Makes me much less interested. Though the PhD year is most relevant, the years of degrees along with the dates of employment give an idea of the applicant's working and intellectual development. Big holes or unknowns are generally a red flag (applicants who know they have red flags, can, of course, combat that with more pertinent info). Huh? I had quite a few years between degrees. That just means I worked in the 'real' world, which is a qualification for working in academia, last I noticed! Tell me one field where experience in the world outside of academia is not useful! You are preaching to the choir if you are addressing this question to me... :o)
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« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2007, 05:29:23 PM » |
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You mean, if I don't get a position in higher education, I can't become an FBI agent either? Even with a stupendous bra size?
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« Reply #78 on: June 21, 2007, 05:34:50 PM » |
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You mean, if I don't get a position in higher education, I can't become an FBI agent either? Even with a stupendous bra size?
Maybe undercover ;) |
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« Reply #79 on: June 21, 2007, 05:52:15 PM » |
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Many government jobs that have something to do with security are limited to hiring people under a certain age. I think Air Marshalls have to be 37 or under, as well, when they apply.
Right. And that is because .... ? A 37 year old forensic accountant could fight white collar crime but a 38 year old one could not? Anyone over the age of 37 is a security risk? Or is there the perception that all older people are necessarily less vigorous than younger counterparts? See, that is exactly what I am talking about. And why does my birthdate have to be on my graduate transcript for goodness sakes? They offered to replace it with 00/00/0000, like that would really help. |
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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2007, 05:59:08 PM » |
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My SO's brother is 50 something and he does something complicated with the Department of State in various formerly communist European countries having to do with business.
Or is the 37 the limit for the age at hire?
And, by the way, I'm with case on transparency. If dates are not on the cv, I'm disinclined to be interested in the person. I have no issue with hiring anyone (though I would hesitate, to be honest, to hire someone who was, say, 65, for a tenure-track job unless the Ph.D. was brand-spanking new) of any age as long as she is qualified. Experience is almost always better than no experience, in my department.
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« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2007, 06:15:17 PM » |
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It is the age limit at hire, but it is still a crock.
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« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2007, 06:47:33 PM » |
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It is the age limit at hire, but it is still a crock.
Well, I'm with you on that one. I'm too old to be a firefighter too. |
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« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2007, 09:03:19 PM » |
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I'd like to add another "don't" to the list: Don't put your talks to the League of Women Voters or the Unitarian/Universalist Church on your list of "Scholarly Presentations" or especially under "Invited Presentations".
Both of those imply an audience of your peers. Keep all your talks to community groups under "Service" or something like that, or leave them off the version of the cv sent out, especially if they're more research oriented schools.
So, here's an interesting contradiction the above brings up. Speaking to "peers" is service, but getting publications "peer reviewed" is research/publications. Can you explain the contradiction? Sorry. My post was a little confusing. What I meant to say was that, in my experience, "Scholarly Presentations" and "Invited Presentations" imply an audience of one's peers at a conference or university and is part of your research. Putting your talk to the Shady Grove Retirement Center on there, even if invited, isn't quite the same thing as a conference presentation. |
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« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2007, 09:40:30 PM » |
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Sorry. My post was a little confusing. What I meant to say was that, in my experience, "Scholarly Presentations" and "Invited Presentations" imply an audience of one's peers at a conference or university and is part of your research. Putting your talk to the Shady Grove Retirement Center on there, even if invited, isn't quite the same thing as a conference presentation.
What if I'm so old that the Shady Grove folk ARE my peers? ;) Vardahilwen |
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« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2007, 09:49:52 PM » |
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My SO's brother is 50 something and he does something complicated with the Department of State in various formerly communist European countries having to do with business.
Or is the 37 the limit for the age at hire?
And, by the way, I'm with case on transparency. If dates are not on the cv, I'm disinclined to be interested in the person. I have no issue with hiring anyone (though I would hesitate, to be honest, to hire someone who was, say, 65, for a tenure-track job unless the Ph.D. was brand-spanking new) of any age as long as she is qualified. Experience is almost always better than no experience, in my department.
I know a colleague who earned his PhD at 60 (he retired from two different professions before that!) and was still going strong teaching and publishing at 85. Many government jobs that have something to do with security are limited to hiring people under a certain age. I think Air Marshalls have to be 37 or under, as well, when they apply.
Right. And that is because .... ? A 37 year old forensic accountant could fight white collar crime but a 38 year old one could not? Anyone over the age of 37 is a security risk? Or is there the perception that all older people are necessarily less vigorous than younger counterparts? See, that is exactly what I am talking about. I have no idea. I know about the Air Marshall thing. I do not have personal knowledge of the FBI accountant thing, though those 37 year age limits for hiring are probably related in some weird gov't way. FBI is stupid since they can't get enough qualified accountants (who can all make more $$$ elsewhere in the very hot job market) and they shouldn't limit themselves. And why does my birthdate have to be on my graduate transcript for goodness sakes? They offered to replace it with 00/00/0000, like that would really help.
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« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2007, 09:52:09 PM » |
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And the FBI won't hire any accountants over the age of I believe it is 37. What is up with that?
The FBI hires applicants with accounting degrees to be law enforcement officers. They are not being hired to be "run of the mill" accountants. (Not to diss run of the mill accountants. Some of my best friends....) |
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« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2007, 09:55:49 PM » |
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And the FBI won't hire any accountants over the age of I believe it is 37. What is up with that?
The FBI hires applicants with accounting degrees to be law enforcement officers. They are not being hired to be "run of the mill" accountants. (Not to diss run of the mill accountants. Some of my best friends....) This probably also applies to the DEA and CIA, which also hire accountants ("follow the money"). |
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« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2007, 11:28:53 PM » |
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The FBI hires applicants with accounting degrees to be law enforcement officers. They are not being hired to be "run of the mill" accountants. (Not to diss run of the mill accountants. Some of my best friends....) OK, so what is your point? Obviously I knew that; they recruited me and wined me and dined me because they thought I was younger than I really was. So anyone over 37 is unqualified for law enforcement? I bet you I could outperform the majority of the currently 37 year old FBI accountants in whatever kind of physical fitness test you could design. And I am not senile, so ...? What is the justification? |
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« Reply #89 on: June 22, 2007, 07:03:04 AM » |
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Obviously I knew that; they recruited me and wined me and dined me because they thought I was younger than I really was.
How was this supposed to be obvious to anyone? Did I miss a post somewhere? |
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