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« on: November 08, 2011, 06:51:51 PM » |
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If you transferred from one undergrad or grad institution to another after 1-2 years, are you required to put this on your CV even if you didn't get degree(s) from previous institutions? I don't know if I asked this before, but just checking, so I don't make a mistake.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 07:09:26 PM » |
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You probably should.
If you were hired here, you'd be required, when you came to the campus interview, to initial each page of your c.v. The provost will secure copies of all of your transcripts before signing off on the hire. If the undergraduate transcript that shows your degree lists "47 transfer credits from Other College" and that is not on your c.v., it could be grounds for withdrawing the offer.
(I think the only things that really matter in the "does your c.v. match your other evidence" are the academic attendance and degrees and the specific titles of positions you've held. For administrative staff, there's a scandal nearly every year about someone whose application listed "assistant financial aid director" when the job was actually "student intern to the assistant to the assistant financial aid director." )
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 09:20:34 PM » |
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I transferred as an undergraduate; I list the date and institution of my bachelor's degree, then on the next line say "attended Whatsamatter U 19xx-19yy." As seniorscholar says, that way there's no discrepancy with your transcript.
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paulsa
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2011, 01:53:00 AM » |
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If the undergraduate transcript that shows your degree lists "47 transfer credits from Other College" and that is not on your c.v., it could be grounds for withdrawing the offer.
Why would it be grounds for withdrawing an offer or be seen as a discrepancy with your transcript? The "Education" section on a CV generally lists when and where degrees were granted. If you're worried about it, you could just label your Education section as something like "Degrees Awarded." Before a hire is finalized, it's virtually standard practice to ask for all graduate and undergraduate transcripts, so the transfer credits --if anyone cares---would be presented and subject to full scrutiny at that stage anyway. Seems to me that the degrees you received are the important thing.
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seniorscholar
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 10:10:11 AM » |
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Before a hire is finalized, it's virtually standard practice to ask for all graduate and undergraduate transcripts, so the transfer credits --if anyone cares---would be presented and subject to full scrutiny at that stage anyway.
Your understanding of an academic c. v. is faulty: it should list all of your post-secondary education, not simply your degrees. And why does it matter? An apparent falsification on a c.v. ("S/he left off the year at lousy vocational school! What is that about??") sends up flares in the Provost's office. (We're in a state in which a university president was fired when it was discovered that the "Harvard degree" on the c.v. was actually a 6-week summer seminar. ANYTHING that can be considered a falsification is a very large red flag.)
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tijuanafina
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 10:31:48 AM » |
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I have several different community colleges in my background, should I list those? I've never seen this.
I never got degrees from them, only from my undergrad 4-year university that I transferred to.
Two CCs were just random unrelated to my degree classes I took while working (photography, etc.) and not even thinking I was going to go back to grad school.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 10:40:41 AM » |
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Before a hire is finalized, it's virtually standard practice to ask for all graduate and undergraduate transcripts, so the transfer credits --if anyone cares---would be presented and subject to full scrutiny at that stage anyway.
Your understanding of an academic c. v. is faulty: it should list all of your post-secondary education, not simply your degrees. And why does it matter? An apparent falsification on a c.v. ("S/he left off the year at lousy vocational school! What is that about??") sends up flares in the Provost's office. (We're in a state in which a university president was fired when it was discovered that the "Harvard degree" on the c.v. was actually a 6-week summer seminar. ANYTHING that can be considered a falsification is a very large red flag.) I disagree - my qualifications for an academic job are based on my degrees, not on my piddling around at a whole bunch of undergrad institutions. I even list my Specialized Course at Respected Institution as further training, not part of my education. I use the first person here, but this is standard procedure at all institutions I have served at. On the other hand, if you have to fill out a job application online, that is, indeed, a place to represent every institution you ever attended. They never have enough spaces for me, though.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 10:53:00 AM » |
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I have several different community colleges in my background, should I list those? I've never seen this.
I never got degrees from them, only from my undergrad 4-year university that I transferred to.
Two CCs were just random unrelated to my degree classes I took while working (photography, etc.) and not even thinking I was going to go back to grad school.
I took a summer course at a CC but have never listed it, nor have I ever seen anyone do so on a cv.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 11:09:06 AM » |
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Before a hire is finalized, it's virtually standard practice to ask for all graduate and undergraduate transcripts, so the transfer credits --if anyone cares---would be presented and subject to full scrutiny at that stage anyway.
Your understanding of an academic c. v. is faulty: it should list all of your post-secondary education, not simply your degrees. And why does it matter? An apparent falsification on a c.v. ("S/he left off the year at lousy vocational school! What is that about??") sends up flares in the Provost's office. (We're in a state in which a university president was fired when it was discovered that the "Harvard degree" on the c.v. was actually a 6-week summer seminar. ANYTHING that can be considered a falsification is a very large red flag.) I think listing a 6-week seminar as a degree is a little different than this as it is an outright lie. I attended a university for a year and withdrew from the program. I have never listed this in my education and don't intend to. I don't see a value or need to list everywhere you attended unless they granted you a degree. That being said, it wouldn't hurt to follow Aside's advice.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2011, 11:09:40 AM » |
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Your understanding of an academic c. v. is faulty: it should list all of your post-secondary education, not simply your degrees. And why does it matter? An apparent falsification on a c.v. ("S/he left off the year at lousy vocational school! What is that about??") sends up flares in the Provost's office.
So I should list the CC that I took courses towards a journeyman's card as an electrician after high school? How about the other CC where I took an english and pre-calc course before entering college? Then of course I need to list the college where I completed my first two years of undergrad, the other college in my home town where I took that one calc class during the summer, and of course the school that awarded my degree. My question is, when I list the credit I received from CLEP exams, should I list the institution as "The College Board," or as the institution I was attending at the time? A CV laid out in this way is confusing and would seem just plain odd. For my B.S., I list the institution that awarded the degree, and right below I list that I attended "Small Undergrad Institution X from YYYY-ZZZZ" I actually only do this because I like to make clear to SCs that I have actually attended a SLAC. If I was applying for CCs, then I might mention having taken courses at CCs in the past. Otherwise, it is completely irrelevant and it is in no way fraudulent in the least to leave these little things off, especially when what matters is the actual degree conferred.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2011, 11:42:41 AM » |
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Before a hire is finalized, it's virtually standard practice to ask for all graduate and undergraduate transcripts, so the transfer credits --if anyone cares---would be presented and subject to full scrutiny at that stage anyway.
Your understanding of an academic c. v. is faulty: it should list all of your post-secondary education, not simply your degrees. And why does it matter? An apparent falsification on a c.v. ("S/he left off the year at lousy vocational school! What is that about??") sends up flares in the Provost's office. (We're in a state in which a university president was fired when it was discovered that the "Harvard degree" on the c.v. was actually a 6-week summer seminar. ANYTHING that can be considered a falsification is a very large red flag.) Claiming a "Harvard degree" for a 6-week seminar is falsifying one's record--very different from what the OP is talking about. If the "degree" was actually a certification or something of that nature, then duly noting on the CV what the certification was called and the length of the course of study would be aboveboard. But it sounds like you're talking about someone being caught in a lie about their credentials. Of course you can be fired or have an offer rescinded for that. On the other hand, if someone does receive an actual Harvard degree, they will be listing the degree conferred AND the length of time they were at Harvard, which fully discloses that the fact that they may not have been there for the full four years. On top of that, the hiring institution will have ALL undergraduate and graduate transcripts--or request them at some point. If a candidate fails to provide these things or falsifies them, then of course they're in trouble. In any case, if someone transfers to Harvard from a place where he/she did not get a degree, that Harvard degree is no less valid. Presumably Harvard screens its transfer applicants and doesn't give degrees with asterisks. I was not a transfer student, but there are parts of my CV where I don't list absolutely everything that might be somehow loosely relevant to that section. Not because I have anything to hide but out of space considerations. In my case, these are minor publications that would add another two pages to my CV were I to include them. I don't believe that omitting things is the same thing as falsifying.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2011, 12:36:41 PM » |
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I, too, don't list schools for which I received undergraduate credit but did not graduate on my CV. I do list a school where I completed graduate coursework as a non-matriculating student in an area that is different from my degrees, because it does speak to one specific aspect of my experience that is relevant to my teaching and research abilities that is not otherwise obvious on my CV.
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