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WELL ALRIGHT! I've been reading the "forums" section of this web site for some time and have posted occasionally for the past six months and this is the first "hu" fight I've seen. I'm sorry that I missed them in the past. I've been quiet because I though it was only me who hate hu. Who knew? But now I'm free. I can say it. I hate the hu. I don't why. It's just so...silly.
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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2007, 10:19:13 AM » |
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I don't why. It's just so...silly.
I would hope not. I, for one, never where. |
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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2007, 10:27:23 AM » |
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I use "he" and all masculine pronouns because my understanding, "radical feminist activists" (as per Wikipedia) aside, is that the masculine pronoun has always been gender inclusive, and is used for ease of writing in English.
Plus, you know, I'm a White Male, and the universe revolves around me.
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« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2007, 10:34:05 AM » |
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I use "he" and all masculine pronouns because my understanding, "radical feminist activists" (as per Wikipedia) aside, is that the masculine pronoun has always been gender inclusive, and is used for ease of writing in English. If it is masculine, it is by definition not gender inclusive. Yes, people. Change is often difficult and uncomfortable. That doesn't necessarily make it inherently bad. Get used to it. Use of "hu" should be comparable to what many pro-choice groups feel about abortion: it should be safe, legal, and rare. Many times, it is possible to write without using "hu". Sometimes "hu" is a good option. VP |
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« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2007, 10:37:16 AM » |
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I use "he" and all masculine pronouns because my understanding, "radical feminist activists" (as per Wikipedia) aside, is that the masculine pronoun has always been gender inclusive, and is used for ease of writing in English. If it is masculine, it is by definition not gender inclusive. Yes, people. Change is often difficult and uncomfortable. That doesn't necessarily make it inherently bad. Get used to it. Use of "hu" should be comparable to what many pro-choice groups feel about abortion: it should be safe, legal, and rare. Many times, it is possible to write without using "hu". Sometimes "hu" is a good option. VP I love VP, but I can't believe you just put hu up with abortion. First, they are no where near the same in any way I can see. Second, I am a little abortion-ed out right now and can only handle fighting from the judgmental moral police on one front at a time. |
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*!* is contagious, but appropriate hu use can protect you (see http://www.hupronoun.org/). My God. Take your pom poms elsewhere unless you have something substantive to say. |
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« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2007, 10:38:06 AM » |
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Use of "hu" should be comparable to what many pro-choice groups feel about abortion: it should be safe, legal, and rare. Many times, it is possible to write without using "hu". Sometimes "hu" is a good option.
Thank goodness someone brought up abortion. This thread is too civil as is. |
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« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2007, 10:39:14 AM » |
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« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2007, 10:39:55 AM » |
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I love VP, but I can't believe you just put hu up with abortion.
First, they are no where near the same in any way I can see. Second, I am a little abortion-ed out right now and can only handle fighting from the judgmental moral police on one front at a time.
Well, hopefully no one will start bombing those of us who use hu! For heaven's sake, I am not intending to go THERE! I apologize if I wasn't clear: I am not in any way suggesting that they are issues of comparable importance. The term "safe, legal, and rare" occurred to me re: the use of "hu" and I borrowed it, that's all. Sorry, I didn't mean to step into melodrama. I am a bit spacey this morning. VP |
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« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2007, 10:40:41 AM » |
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Without knowing others hated it, I used hu. I liked it.
How can something so good be so very wrong, in the eyes of others? :)
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How near or how far.
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« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2007, 10:41:21 AM » |
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Why do we give a hoot about the "hu"? Read it, recognize that the user is making a statement about gender and language use and move on with your life!!
Preferably without razing any babies, but I respect your choice.
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« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2007, 10:43:38 AM » |
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Many times, it is possible to write without using "hu". Sometimes "hu" is a good option.
And no is forcing anyone to use hu. Johnr, just to show you the frequency with which this issue comes up, here is Prof Mom's list of Hu threads: All of the following threads address the question. http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,33774.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,30784.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,31419.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,31976.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,30092.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,31272.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,32553.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,32618.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,30134.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,32856.0.htmlhttp://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,30360.0.htmlI think there have been several more since. *sigh* |
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Oh realfrancie, so clever!
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« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2007, 10:44:16 AM » |
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Sorry, I didn't mean to step into melodrama. I am a bit spacey this morning.
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if there's a next time, I'll remind myself I don't need to engage.
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« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2007, 10:49:03 AM » |
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Without knowing others hated it, I used hu. I liked it.
How can something so good be so very wrong, in the eyes of others? :)
Are you saying "if loving hu is wrong, I don't wanna be right" ? |
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« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2007, 10:54:48 AM » |
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The Bored has discovered that appropriate Hu usage can prevent some strains of *!*.
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*!* is contagious, but appropriate hu use can protect you (see http://www.hupronoun.org/). My God. Take your pom poms elsewhere unless you have something substantive to say. |
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« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2007, 10:57:44 AM » |
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From Mirriam-Webster Online: he: "2 -- used in a generic sense or when the sex of the person is unspecified <he that hath ears to hear, let him hear -- Matthew 11:15 (Authorized Version)> <one should do the best he can>" man: "1b : the human race : HUMANKIND 2a : INDIVIDUAL, PERSON <a man could get killed there> b : the individual who can fulfill or who has been chosen to fulfill one's requirements <she's your man>" They also list s/he and define it as: "she or he -- used in writing as a pronoun of common gender." |
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