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« Reply #285 on: May 18, 2007, 08:23:05 AM » |
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I have never heard y'all used as singular. Yup, if you hear "y'all guys" in a movie, you'll know it was some west coast or northeastern scriptwriter writing about Southerners who doesn't know any better. One thing's for sure. Y'all need to start using "hu" on a regular basis. |
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« Reply #286 on: May 18, 2007, 12:33:32 PM » |
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One thing's for sure. Y'all need to start using "hu" on a regular basis.
How's about "hu'all" if you're refering to a whole passle of gender neutral folks? Example: "Hu'all was just sittin' round not doin' nothin." |
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« Reply #287 on: May 18, 2007, 12:38:05 PM » |
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Come to think of it, I do believe that I'll start using "hu'all" all the time as the 3rd person plural to avoid the disgraceful fact that "they" contains "he" but not "she." It's either that or change it to "ts/hey."
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« Reply #288 on: May 18, 2007, 12:45:20 PM » |
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I always enjoyed the Pennyslvania version of y'all (you all): y'uns (you ones).
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« Reply #289 on: May 18, 2007, 12:47:29 PM » |
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So, "hu" replaces he, she and you? eh?
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« Reply #290 on: May 18, 2007, 12:53:05 PM » |
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So, "hu" replaces he, she and you? eh?
Sure, why not! Why compromise our anonymity by revealing grammatical person. |
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« Reply #291 on: May 18, 2007, 01:07:14 PM » |
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Come to think of it, I do believe that I'll start using "hu'all" all the time as the 3rd person plural to avoid the disgraceful fact that "they" contains "he" but not "she." It's either that or change it to "ts/hey."
LOL!! "Hu'all" had to be inspired, just_dave :) |
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« Reply #292 on: May 18, 2007, 04:45:40 PM » |
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LOL!! "Hu'all" had to be inspired, just_dave :)
In the Army, we used to say "Hooah" a great deal, and it was gender neutral (although not a pronoun). Never knew we were so aligned with the forces of progress in academia..... :) |
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« Reply #293 on: May 18, 2007, 05:36:57 PM » |
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LOL!! "Hu'all" had to be inspired, just_dave :)
In the Army, we used to say "Hooah" a great deal, and it was gender neutral (although not a pronoun). Never knew we were so aligned with the forces of progress in academia..... :) Oh dear, that brings back memories... not of me, but of close friends. Friends that most decidedly are not aligned with forces in any way progressive, nor academic! Thanks for the good laugh, e_a! |
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« Reply #294 on: May 18, 2007, 08:50:37 PM » |
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LOL!! "Hu'all" had to be inspired, just_dave :)
In the Army, we used to say "Hooah" a great deal, and it was gender neutral (although not a pronoun). Never knew we were so aligned with the forces of progress in academia..... :) Could you use that in a sentence and then diagram it please? |
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« Reply #295 on: May 18, 2007, 09:36:51 PM » |
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LOL!! "Hu'all" had to be inspired, just_dave :)
In the Army, we used to say "Hooah" a great deal, and it was gender neutral (although not a pronoun). Never knew we were so aligned with the forces of progress in academia..... :) Could you use that in a sentence and then diagram it please? "Free beer in the mess hall. Hooah!" |
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« Reply #296 on: May 24, 2007, 11:42:59 AM » |
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LOL!! "Hu'all" had to be inspired, just_dave :)
In the Army, we used to say "Hooah" a great deal, and it was gender neutral (although not a pronoun). Never knew we were so aligned with the forces of progress in academia..... :) Could you use that in a sentence and then diagram it please? No need, it's been done: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/militaryhumor/a/hooahdef.htm |
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« Reply #297 on: May 24, 2007, 12:47:40 PM » |
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Wikipedia speaks to y'all: "There is also a long disagreement about whether y'all can have primarily singular reference. While y'all is generally used in the Southern United States as the plural form of "you" a scant but vocal minority argue that the term can be used in the singular. Adding confusion to this issue is that observers attempting to judge usage may witness a single person addressed as y'all if the speaker implies in the reference other persons not present: "Did y'all [you and others] have dinner yet?. However, similar arguments may be made for the first person analog of y'all, we." "It has been argued by one linguist that the singular y'all is in reality a polite form of address, corresponding to 'vous' in French, 'usted' in Spanish, and 'Sie' in German. [5] And a few have noted what this linguist states in the following quote: That y'all or you-all cannot have primarily singular reference ..." is a cardinal article of faith in the South. ... Nevertheless, it has been questioned very often , and with a considerable showing of evidence. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, to be sure, you-all indicates a plural, implicit if not explicit, and thus means, when addressed to a single person, 'you and your folks' or the like, but the hundredth time it is impossible to discover any such extension of meaning. – H.L. Mencken, , 1948, p.337 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y'all**** Note that reference for the linguist who suggested that y'all can be using in the singular is from 1926. Y'all is a contraction for you all. Therefore, it cannot be singular. Unless, of course, it's addressing all of one person... I always cringe when I hear y'all used as singular in movies... stupid Hollywood... case, as a bona fide Southerner (at least compared to me), what are your feelings on "all y'all" as a phrase? It always struck me that the redundancy was useful for showing emphasis. I have very rarely heard that and then only for emphasis in a somewhat silly way... to get the attention of a large group, for example. It is horribly redundant. But, at times redundancy is needed, I'm sure. :o) Indeed, the redundancy sometimes is needed, most often when dealing with yankees who seem very puzzled trying to figure out if "y'all" is addressing them individually or if it refers to the whole group. So - "y'all just head back north now. Yes, all y'all!" |
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« Reply #298 on: May 24, 2007, 12:57:05 PM » |
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Margomcp, how unusual that we both have the same signature file at the moment! I wonder if that has happened before on the forum. VP |
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« Reply #299 on: May 24, 2007, 01:25:10 PM » |
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