|
helpful
|
 |
« Reply #330 on: April 18, 2007, 06:20:50 PM » |
|
It is disgusting that AP and NBC are running this mailed in stuff from the killer on their websites and newscasts. It is going to retraumatize the VT people and the country. All in pursuit of so-called freedom of the press and advertising dollars and market share. Sorry, there are some things the press shouldn't do.
Never mind that copycats will love this stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
gennimom
Somewhat Southern (Have I really posted that much?)
Distinguished Senior Member
Posts: 16,767
Let's get summer over with! Me want snow!
|
|
« Reply #331 on: April 18, 2007, 06:21:19 PM » |
|
How does the fact the killer went to the post office damn the university? Why would anyone think to look there for him? I mean, how many killers go shoot some people, go to the post office to mail something, then go kill some more people?
This is not logical.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
...only after reading gm's post, my new mantra is "always listen to gennimom".
Monday reeks! - Garfield The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a person (or something like that). |
|
|
datawoman
New member
Posts: 7
|
|
« Reply #332 on: April 18, 2007, 06:23:03 PM » |
|
Because they were not looking for him.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
newbie
|
|
« Reply #333 on: April 18, 2007, 06:26:08 PM » |
|
It seems to me the VT victims were in part victims of incoherent law regarding mental illness. There is a push back against liberalization -- led mainly by physicians whose hands are tied and families with severely mentally ill children -- but the question is how to force treatment or institutionalization before serious trouble happens without violating rights.
Agreed. This is a HUGE issue, and a complicated one. What do we do? Force institutionalization on anyone with antisocial personality disorder or other mental illnesses that seem to be associated with mass murderers? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
iomhaigh
|
|
« Reply #334 on: April 18, 2007, 06:33:50 PM » |
|
I hope you don't find me cold about this entire situation. I cried over it, but the only thing that really helps me is thinking about ways that I could help others react in an emergency. I've seen students injured, and it is a terrible thing for any teaching professional. You always think of ways you could have prevented it, and when you do prevent it from happening, you know you've kept them safe, just that once. As a science teacher, I've come to grips with issues of safety more than once, but I think we all have to think about the dangers of the world and how they can interact with the classroom.
You're not being cold at all. It sounds like finding the emergency exits is your way of tying to gain some control over your world. And you have a great point -- it is easier to keep your head in an emergency if you have thought through an action plan. Plus, I can promse you that you're not the only one who thinks this way when responsible for large numbers of other lives. (For me, it is audiences and storms/fires and students with power tools). To an extent, it is part of our jobs and we'd be remiss to not think about these things. Given the number of toxic substances and explosive materials that you work with in the sciences....well, frankly, I would not want someone in those classrooms who does not think about safety. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I am the very model of a modern major general.
|
|
|
|
helpful
|
|
« Reply #335 on: April 18, 2007, 06:36:32 PM » |
|
How does the fact the killer went to the post office damn the university? Why would anyone think to look there for him? I mean, how many killers go shoot some people, go to the post office to mail something, then go kill some more people?
This is not logical.
Whose post are you referring to? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
sunsearching
|
|
« Reply #336 on: April 18, 2007, 06:38:56 PM » |
|
This "multimedia manifesto" is quite shocking and a good illustration of the prominence that media and images now play in our lives - the guy who was "nobody" in real life is now known by dozens of images all over the world - as a society we are such a slave to images and media that we encourage this....anyway, on the subjects people have mentioned regarding how people are framing this "loner" "disturbed" and how it is all about the individual, some 'dr' on msnbc responded to the photos with "psychotic" "megalomania" "criminally insane" -- I am not sure what I think of this except that it seems there could be some better way to understand this whole tragedy that just throwing out these terms -- but we have to -- we have to make sense of this and put it in a nice box and so he has to be the most criminally insane psychotic megalomaniac that ever was....why can't we talk about the bigger picture?? sorry for rambling, all this is just getting too much for me, and I'm so glad I don't have TV and only once in a while watch these videos online,
Is anyone talking about the actual substance of Cho's rant - the rich kids, the narcissism, the "debauchery," alcoholism, not that these are in ANY WAY excuses for the evil he committed, but isn't there something bigger going on here?? help me understand this please...
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
gennimom
Somewhat Southern (Have I really posted that much?)
Distinguished Senior Member
Posts: 16,767
Let's get summer over with! Me want snow!
|
|
« Reply #337 on: April 18, 2007, 06:40:59 PM » |
|
How does the fact the killer went to the post office damn the university? Why would anyone think to look there for him? I mean, how many killers go shoot some people, go to the post office to mail something, then go kill some more people?
This is not logical.
Whose post are you referring to? Sorry, helpful, I was referring to datawoman's comment that "it damns the university in a way that is unexpected." Whether they were looking for him or not, they probably would have been searching the campus. NOT the post office. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
...only after reading gm's post, my new mantra is "always listen to gennimom".
Monday reeks! - Garfield The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a person (or something like that). |
|
|
|
sunsearching
|
|
« Reply #338 on: April 18, 2007, 06:48:30 PM » |
|
Helpful....in addendum to my above post and in response to yours, can you imagine that we can censor this stuff? No media would do it and no person would either, not in today's digital age, and what is the main harm in doing so (except that these idiotic news commentators respond to it like drunk teenagers) -- do we not have the right to try and see it all to understand the full scope of this tragedy? Yes the copycat thing is a scary possibility, already lots of schools have had fake bomb threats today....i'm just saying i think all this is inevitable and how can we prevent it? just because we can't doesn't make it ethical though i guess you might say.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
anthroboy
Junior member
Posts: 84
|
|
« Reply #339 on: April 18, 2007, 07:36:13 PM » |
|
By now you have probably all seen what the killer did in the lost 2 hours. He was making a multimedia document he mailed in an express overnight letter through the post office to NBC ( www.msnbc.com). Then he went on killing.......strange it fills in that odd piece for me of the lost two hours. It damns the University in a way that is unexpected. My God, what will happen to them??? My heart goes out to them even more. I agree that I don't see how this damns the university. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
helpful
|
|
« Reply #340 on: April 18, 2007, 07:39:01 PM » |
|
Helpful....in addendum to my above post and in response to yours, can you imagine that we can censor this stuff? No media would do it and no person would either, not in today's digital age, and what is the main harm in doing so (except that these idiotic news commentators respond to it like drunk teenagers) -- do we not have the right to try and see it all to understand the full scope of this tragedy? Yes the copycat thing is a scary possibility, already lots of schools have had fake bomb threats today....i'm just saying i think all this is inevitable and how can we prevent it? just because we can't doesn't make it ethical though i guess you might say.
Well, it would take responsible people at NBC and in the police to not release it right now. That is all it takes. But no, the media want to sensationalize everything. All Cho All the Time. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
diana_prince
The Lasso of Truth is a woman's greatest weapon.
Member
Posts: 230
|
|
« Reply #341 on: April 18, 2007, 07:42:55 PM » |
|
By now you have probably all seen what the killer did in the lost 2 hours. He was making a multimedia document he mailed in an express overnight letter through the post office to NBC ( www.msnbc.com). Then he went on killing.......strange it fills in that odd piece for me of the lost two hours. It damns the University in a way that is unexpected. My God, what will happen to them??? My heart goes out to them even more. I agree that I don't see how this damns the university. The university didn't put out any alerts that there was a shooter at large after the first shooting. When a child is lost in Wal-Mart, the store has a Code Adam. Who doesn't know or understand what Code Adam is? Who doesn't know what an Amber Alert means when a child is abducted? At one time, before horrible crimes were committed against Adam and Amber, real kids, these alerts didn't exist. Someone took action and learned from those tragedies and changed the system and the law and how to alert the public. Let's hope that the academic community cannot possibly be that SLOW to understand that, yes, there are systems of alert to put in place in emergencies. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
gennimom
Somewhat Southern (Have I really posted that much?)
Distinguished Senior Member
Posts: 16,767
Let's get summer over with! Me want snow!
|
|
« Reply #342 on: April 18, 2007, 07:47:18 PM » |
|
I still don't make the connection between WHERE he was and how it damns the university, any more than anything else could or would.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
...only after reading gm's post, my new mantra is "always listen to gennimom".
Monday reeks! - Garfield The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a person (or something like that). |
|
|
zarathustra
Because the Chron says I'm a
Distinguished Senior Member
Posts: 9,871
Procrastifabulous by nature.
|
|
« Reply #343 on: April 18, 2007, 07:53:27 PM » |
|
By now you have probably all seen what the killer did in the lost 2 hours. He was making a multimedia document he mailed in an express overnight letter through the post office to NBC ( www.msnbc.com). Then he went on killing.......strange it fills in that odd piece for me of the lost two hours. It damns the University in a way that is unexpected. My God, what will happen to them??? My heart goes out to them even more. I agree that I don't see how this damns the university. The university didn't put out any alerts that there was a shooter at large after the first shooting. When a child is lost in Wal-Mart, the store has a Code Adam. Who doesn't know or understand what Code Adam is? Who doesn't know what an Amber Alert means when a child is abducted? At one time, before horrible crimes were committed against Adam and Amber, real kids, these alerts didn't exist. Someone took action and learned from those tragedies and changed the system and the law and how to alert the public. Let's hope that the academic community cannot possibly be that SLOW to understand that, yes, there are systems of alert to put in place in emergencies. The police were responding the fairly reasonable assumption that it was a "domestic" dispute when they found the freshman girl and RA in the hall. Yes, they assumed the girl and the RA were killed by the girl's boyfriend. They then went looking for the girl's boyfriend, who was rumored to have guns. They were interviewing the bf when Cho went on his other shootings. Most murders are committed by people have some kind of connection with their victims. That's why the cops immediately questioned the boyfriend. If they had gone door to door looking for the shooter on campus, and the shooter had turned out to be on the loose in downtown Blacksburg shooting up a Burger King, I'm sure there would be people screaming the cops did the wrong thing there too. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"...undigested hummus trading real estate for this fire dance.." ~C.S.
|
|
|
diana_prince
The Lasso of Truth is a woman's greatest weapon.
Member
Posts: 230
|
|
« Reply #344 on: April 18, 2007, 07:57:32 PM » |
|
By now you have probably all seen what the killer did in the lost 2 hours. He was making a multimedia document he mailed in an express overnight letter through the post office to NBC ( www.msnbc.com). Then he went on killing.......strange it fills in that odd piece for me of the lost two hours. It damns the University in a way that is unexpected. My God, what will happen to them??? My heart goes out to them even more. I agree that I don't see how this damns the university. The university didn't put out any alerts that there was a shooter at large after the first shooting. When a child is lost in Wal-Mart, the store has a Code Adam. Who doesn't know or understand what Code Adam is? Who doesn't know what an Amber Alert means when a child is abducted? At one time, before horrible crimes were committed against Adam and Amber, real kids, these alerts didn't exist. Someone took action and learned from those tragedies and changed the system and the law and how to alert the public. Let's hope that the academic community cannot possibly be that SLOW to understand that, yes, there are systems of alert to put in place in emergencies. The police were responding the fairly reasonable assumption that it was a "domestic" dispute when they found the freshman girl and RA in the hall. Yes, they assumed the girl and the RA were killed by the girl's boyfriend. They then went looking for the girl's boyfriend, who was rumored to have guns. They were interviewing the bf when Cho went on his other shootings. Most murders are committed by people have some kind of connection with their victims. That's why the cops immediately questioned the boyfriend. If they had gone door to door looking for the shooter on campus, and the shooter had turned out to be on the loose in downtown Blacksburg shooting up a Burger King, I'm sure there would be people screaming the cops did the wrong thing there too. They should have notified the campus and local news and police. If a shooter was at large, people had a right to know. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
