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« on: January 21, 2007, 10:01:00 PM » |
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When you've gotten an offer, how long until the Dean/Chair gives you details (salary, start-up funds, moving expenses)? Usually during the first conversation? Later?
How do you go about negotiating?
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 10:06:43 PM » |
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In answer to the second part of your question, Zarkov is going to suggest that you read the book Getting to Yes, and Zarkov will be right.
When you get details depends on the place. I've never experienced immediately. Details came about 10 days after the "we just want to let you know we're offering you this position" call.
When you get the offer, you might want to ask for an email or fax that lays out the specifics. That should speed the process up a bit and give you something concrete to look at.
(yes, I just ended my sentence with a preposition. The Grammar Girl podcast said that I could)
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 10:10:11 PM » |
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Is that a book or something online? If it's a book, I probably don't have time, but thanks for the other feedback.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 10:13:55 PM » |
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Okay, I put in an interlibrary loan request for the book anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 11:08:23 PM » |
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For the job that I accepted, I found out during the offer phone call. I was offered the job and given the specifics at the time of the call. I asked for a couple of days (mostly to make sure that euphoria wasn't making the decision), called back, negotiated a few points, and accepted. I got an email that reflected the negotiable points (a lot of it was standard for all academic appointments here) after I negotiated them.
The written offer showed up weeks later, after it wound its way through a few layers of admin.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 11:18:31 PM » |
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It is a great book, a really quick read, and worth the time.
Take the time to research the location, cost of living, and so on. I was so excited to be employed that I said yes to the first offer they sent my way. Only to find myself living in the most expensive county in the nation barley above the poverty line. Getting to Yes helped a lot when my contract came up for renegotiation. Try looking up interest based bargaining on Google.
Good luck with your negotiations.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 11:47:35 PM » |
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While salary is important, make sure you understand the specifics of the whole package. Does medical insurance kick in right away? Same with the pension plan. And what are the school/individual contributions? One school I interviewed with did not start paying into TIAA-Cref until after two years. Another insisted I had to pay into the state employees retirement, and abandon TIAA-CREF. These are the sorts of things that many entry-level people do not know to ask about.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 12:36:33 PM » |
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Take a bit of time to go to Barnes and Noble or Borders and read Getting to Yes there. A lot faster than interlibrary loan.
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