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mrhistory
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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2007, 12:20:22 PM »

I shared info with friends---and I use that term loosely. I spent a lot of time in archives and libraries in my final two years on and off fellowships and so met MANY in my field or related fields. Those who became more-or-less "colleagues" shared info duiring the "hunting season"---it benefited many greatly.  I would not contact someone I didn't know personally or someone I had uneasy feelings about but those I did?  I got lots of good info back and sent my share on as well.

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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2007, 12:35:10 PM »

This thread reminds me of a peculiar job search story of my own experience: I went to a small conference in my field recently (about 150 people) and ran into two other postdoctoral researchers there, like myself, who were applying for jobs this year. I had met both before, but hadn't realized they were on the job market. Not too surprisingly, it turned out we were applying for basically the same jobs, although I was also applying somewhat more broadly than the other two.

Anyway, not too long after the meeting, I got a call for an on campus interview at one of the schools we had all applied to. Subsequently, I discovered this school had posted their seminar schedule, and these other two people are also being interviewed. (They had a total of some 200 applicants or so, so it was a bit surprising). So now I find myself in the peculiar position that two other people I know well are competing with me for the same job (well, actually, there may be two jobs). I like both very well and both are extremely well qualified (much more so than me, I think). So I'm not entirely sure how to feel about it.

Sorry to hijack the thread. Something pertaining to it:

Ways I have found out who was in the same campus pools as me or as a friend:

If the job is field specific those who are involved in the field, on field specific research fellowships or who have connections with other grads at other universities often heard.  I had two friends from H-Grad in my sub-field on the market when I was---we traded whatever we heard:  if I can't get the job, I hope you can!

In one place the schedule of "job talks" was on the bulletin board where they left me in the hall for 30 minutes. Reading the board for something to do informed me quite nicely. Didn't matter though because "Helpful New Prof" told me on the way to the airport. Why? I have no idea but I gladly listened to the info. (I think he was deeply unhappy and told me all sorts of interesting info actually)

At one interview the grad students asked me at lunch if I knew A and B. Yes, I know their names why?  Oh...we heard them talk recently. (Really, why would two other abd candidates in my field be giving public talks...ah...)

I've heard stuff about searches in this way, too. I also get info back from random people who happen to know I'm looking -- for example, student X in my department meets postdoc Y at a conference; Y says he's interviewing at school A, to which student X also knows I've applied; student X reports back to me that Y has an interview at A. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take a tremendous amount of snooping to figure out who was interviewing everywhere I've applied, but it's not worth the time, since the information is  useless.

I had a graduate student ask a question at one of my job talks that was along the lines of the one you relate last there, only even funnier. He said, "We had a job candidate speak last week; I can't remember his name, but he said X. Do you think that's true?" That was a tough question. :)
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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2007, 01:09:19 PM »

I also have many friends who work in the same field as I do and we have been up for a number of the same positions.This usually has resulted in a very supportive atmosphere. I'm sorry to say there have been some strains, however.

In one instance I was invited to campus for a position in X with the ability to teach Y. I do X and could teach Y based on a minor PhD field and TA experience. My friend does X/Y. I was dismayed to find my friend was uncomfortable that I was in the running because I didn't fit as well, and because this job was not at the top of my list as it was my friend's. Neither of us was hired, btw, though we both have positions we love.

Another instance involved an acquaintance.  We both work in the same field and interviewed at the same institution. When I was offered the job this person wondered aloud to everyone, including me, why they went with someone "so much less experienced". That was really grating.

Overall, though, I've found that having friends among other candidates has been a positive experience, and we share information about job openings, interview strategies, jobtalks, and the like. We also share in each other's successes. I'm rooting for all of them on this year's job market.

Good luck to you, Nailman, and I hope it goes smoothly.
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« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2007, 01:31:37 PM »

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I'd be delighted to get an e-mail like this -- no matter what the person's intentions are -- because it would mean I have a better chance of landing the job. Even if he's e-mailing out of spite ("I've withdrawn, so you can't say you beat me!"), in the end, it's getting the job or not that matters. As people have said elsewhere: success is the best form of revenge.
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You have all given me many points to consider. I'll just close by saying that the demeanor of the email was insulting, and short of revealing this person's email, I can't really convey it accurately here. I think it would be all right, like many of you have said, if I actually was a friend of this person, but that was not the case. In any event, I think the best response to such an email is, as some of you suggested, no response. And, yes, I guess to some extent this is good news, if the said person did withdraw.  But, again, I have no idea if that's even true--I may never know and, frankly, I don't care to know which is why the unsolicited announcement irritated me.

Thanks for the advices.
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nailman
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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2007, 02:12:01 PM »


You have all given me many points to consider. I'll just close by saying that the demeanor of the email was insulting, and short of revealing this person's email, I can't really convey it accurately here. I think it would be all right, like many of you have said, if I actually was a friend of this person, but that was not the case. In any event, I think the best response to such an email is, as some of you suggested, no response. And, yes, I guess to some extent this is good news, if the said person did withdraw.  But, again, I have no idea if that's even true--I may never know and, frankly, I don't care to know which is why the unsolicited announcement irritated me.


If this person is really being as petty and rude as you think, perhaps you ought to feel sorry for him, not be offended. I mean, is he really so insecure about himself as to feel he has to cut you down because he knows you're more likely to get the job than he? IF he's being as rude as you think, that's why: And what a pathetic place to be.
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