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[jackie_d]

Today, US is led by neo-conservatives, foreigners, Israeli agents.

You know, you sounded almost rational until this popped up.

Maybe you missed Pyshnov's previous post.

[beacon1]

I don't think it is so impossible to understand that US can live in peace with diversity on the other end of the world: some peoples in some far away places have their own lifestyles, morals, religions, cultures. Just let them live their own lives. And, that little piece of land, Arab Palestine, including East Jerusalem, must be returned to the legal owners. Not much is needed for peace.

Ah pooh... To make such a naive statement as people want peace worldwide denies 400,000 years of human evolution. If people wanted peace worldwide, they would have found it years ago. The truth is that people want SUVs, land, wealth, privilege, oil, conquest, gold, etc. We ALL want easier and better lives. Human greed has proven to be insatiable. Men wield weapons to inflict their will all the while perserving and improving their lifestyles. Morality has proven to be ineffective at containing this greed. In fact, it has often been used to justify a greater level of pillaging.

Anyway you look at it, strapping a bomb to your back and blowing up hundreds of civilians amounts to war.

[pyshnov]

jonesey:

Quote from: pyshnov on Today at 11:56:35 AM
Today, US is led by neo-conservatives, foreigners, Israeli agents.

You know, you sounded almost rational until this popped up.  I don't what happened in Toronto to make you think that there's a secret Jewish cabal running the world and that they're all out to get you, or that they're secretly listening to your thoughts through your fillings, or whatever, but it seems to be getting in the way of what appear to be very rational and well-thought out discussions on your part.

No, you don't have to know what happened in Toronto. But, in US Pat Buchanan callled US Congress "an Israeli occupied territory". It's just one quote out of many made by different people. I heard Daniel Pearl many times. This Pearl was transfering secret US documents to Israeli intelligence. You should remember, jonesey, what was Pearl's answer. He said that he is not a spy because "Israel is a friend". I then heard Pearl many times arguing, not arguing - pushing, for the attack on Iraq. I heard many times many other neo-cons, like Krauthammer. I don't need to tell you that all this was calculated pretext, not a word of truth.

How come that people don't ask: Well, once it was Serbia, then Iraq, then Afganistan, again Iraq, now - they ask US to attack Iran, and, already the talk is about Russia? Are neo-cons friends? Do they care about US when they are pushing US to attack the world? I remember one of the last jokes of Jonny Carson. He said that dying Breznev's last words were "Attack Bulgaria!". 

Jonesey, the only war in this century that America won was when America fought together with Russia. (Russia also saved Europe from Ghingiz-Khan, Napoleon and Hitler; and, at the beginning of these wars it was not a very strong country). All others its wars - US lost, (with the exception of two, in Grenada and Panama). Now, US killed Hussein - the only man who could keep peace in Iraq (at a cost of just some two thousands lives). US can not "prevail" there, it's a lost war. Nobody ever conquered Afganistan. So, it's just a killing and more killing.

Now, tell me, neo-cons, are they the best American patriots? Do they know more than other Americans? So far, all their "knowledge" proved to be lies. I am sure their patriotism is a lie. They themselves are fraud. They are not conservatives, you don't call bullies conservatives, and nothing about them is neo-. Just a bunch of Trotzkiists who changed name. Same Mary, different hat. They are against America, and the only country they support is Israel. What do they support in Israel? They do not support peace in Israel either. They need that piece of Arab land and East Jerusalem that is supposed to make Jews happy forever. They are crazy.

Now, the position you are supporting has angered not just me (I am discounted because of the events in Toronto), but recently no other than George Soros broke pots with Israeli lobby. It's useless to tell me "...you think that there's a secret Jewish cabal running the world...". Running the world? Running US - Yes. Jewish cabal? Yes, gang. Secret? Are you laughing? No, not secret at all.

Jonesey, make U turn before more events proved you wrong irreversibly.

[jonesey]

Actually, I don't agree with the neocons, and think it'll take years to undo what they've done. 

I also don't think Russia is the "enemy," at least, not since they renounced Communism. 

Pat Buchanan is a nut.  Period. 


The US has plans on how to attack a lot of countries, yes, including Russia, but, more likely, Iran.  If Iran insists on obtaining nuclear weapons, it'll happen, one way or another. 

Yes, we're in bed with Israel.  We always will be.  Deal with it.  They aren't the enemy.  Take a look at the ring of terrorist-supporting countries that surround Israel and understand that we'll always be there, and why.

But, you're back on that Jewish Cabal thing again, so, we're done. 

[pyshnov]

jonesey:

Yes, we're in bed with Israel.

sorry to hear this.
spraying the bed helps.

[spork]

Though I'm no fan of Stalin, he did deal harshly and effectively with the Jewish Trotskyists.

[adhoc]

[...] the only war in this century that America won was when America fought together with Russia.

My history must be weaker than I thought, but what war did we fight with Russia in this century?

[beacon1]

[...] the only war in this century that America won was when America fought together with Russia.

My history must be weaker than I thought, but what war did we fight with Russia in this century?

If he is regarding to century as the last hundred years rather than the last 7, I think he is referring to WWII. He does not go on to mention that our involvement with Russia was a deeply suspicious/reluctant one. I would also say it is unfair to say we lost wars in this century (e.g., Vietnam). While on the surface Vietnam seemed like a quagmire, the Soviet Union collapsed just a mere 20 years after our involvement there. Wasn't Vietnam fought to prevent the spread of communism?

[adhoc]

If he is regarding to century as the last hundred years rather than the last 7, I think he is referring to WWII.

I expect that you are right.  But is he then saying that we lost WWI?

[jonesey]

He's saying it's all "The Jews" fault, like all of his other posts.  Or did you miss the part where he was comparing Jews to vermin ("spraying the bed")?

[manthong]

But, you're back on that Jewish Cabal thing again, so, we're done. 

If it isn't the Jewish cabal, it's the communist cabal, or the feminist cabal. Sometimes it seems they're all the same cabal.

[jonesey]

True. I seem to remember the JewishFeministCommunistCabal (tm) popping up quite a bit. 

Oh, and the Lesbian Cabal as well. 

[pyshnov]

manthong:

Sometimes it seems they're all the same cabal.

Yap! That's it. Whatever the sex, genes etc. are: when "they" just wouldn't stop telling you how you must live your life, it's a gang, cabal (I actually don't know what exactly cabal means and stay away from the word, it wasn't in my lexicon before).

The main feature of it - conspiracy. What comes from it is very interesting. "They" themselves cease to be individuals. They walk the party line. They sacrifice everything to win as a group. For me it would be the weirdest thing in the world. I may agree on some points with a person while scolding the same person for the things with which I don't agree. They act differently..., hyenas.

[spork]

manthong:

Sometimes it seems they're all the same cabal.

Yap! That's it. Whatever the sex, genes etc. are: when "they" just wouldn't stop telling you how you must live your life, it's a gang, cabal (I actually don't know what exactly cabal means and stay away from the word, it wasn't in my lexicon before).

The main feature of it - conspiracy. What comes from it is very interesting. "They" themselves cease to be individuals. They walk the party line. They sacrifice everything to win as a group. For me it would be the weirdest thing in the world. I may agree on some points with a person while scolding the same person for the things with which I don't agree. They act differently..., hyenas.

E.g., the show trials.

[adhoc]

I actually don't know what exactly cabal means [...]

You know, in the time it took you to confess your ignorance, you could have looked it up ...