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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2007, 11:59:32 PM » |
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We have a C student, a blithering idiot, a stubborn little child, an immoral killer and a bald faced liar as president and you think it has something to do with ability?
- Most moral codes regard the vast majority of killing as immoral. I'm going to guess that you are opposed to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq but still live the materially-comfortable life that most Americans regard as their right. I'm opposed to US tyranny and empire-building. I've lived in a third world dormitory and yes, although I live a modest lifestyle by American standards I live better than 90 percent of the people in the world. However, although it would significantly affect my standard of living, the destruction of America's power in the world would bring me great satisfaction. Gore and Kerry are scum, as are all politicians. We at least agree on that. |
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dolljepopp
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2007, 05:05:38 PM » |
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Hilary Clinton has announced forming an "exploratory committee," which means she's running.
The Dems field would now appear to be: Vilsack, Cucinich, Edwards, Biden, Obama, and Clinton. Christopher Dodd of Connecticutt is expected by many pundits, but I don't think he has announced anything.
Repubs have: Hunter, Guiliani, Romney, McCain, with Brownback expected.
Should be interesting...
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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2007, 05:08:20 PM » |
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I expect Secretary Rice to be picked up for a Veep spot by Romney (perhaps McCain) if he wins. I think the move of Negroponte to the #2 position in State was so that he'd be in position to take over when Cheney resigns sometime later this year and Rice steps in.
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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2007, 05:10:26 PM » |
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Didn't Huckabee (R) throw his hat in the ring, too?
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dolljepopp
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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2007, 05:23:00 PM » |
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I expect Secretary Rice to be picked up for a Veep spot by Romney (perhaps McCain) if he wins. I think the move of Negroponte to the #2 position in State was so that he'd be in position to take over when Cheney resigns sometime later this year and Rice steps in.
Interesting. I had assumed Rice would stay out of it, because she has been so insistent that she doesn't want to be president. But she is the natural choice for Veep if Cheney were to resign or otherwise leave office. She's pro-choice, though, and I don't know if the GOP's Christian conservatives would go for her being on the ticket. Of course, that is a constituency that has been accused of refusing to accept a Mormon, so maybe a pro-choice running mate would fly... She could do the GHW Bush 41 flip and become pro-life, but after Souter that constituency didn't trust him. I do think McCain is going to have a much harder time coasting to the nomination than is being assumed by some pundits, although I know longer think Guiliani is going to do very well. Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota is courting McCain -- state pundits think he wants the running mate slot. Pawlenty managed to get re-elected (against a Democrat most Democrats don't like), but I'm not sure his spot on the ticket would win the state for McCain. McCain might be able to win it on his own, but the troop surge is unpopular there -- the MN National Guard has sent more members to Iraq than all but one other state. I could see Clinton/Obama vs. Romney/Rice. For some reason, I don't see Obama/Clinton -- if he were to get the nomination, I see him more picking some old guard like Biden. Oh, just heard on NPR, Brownback has announced. He might be the candidate of choice for the Christian conservatives. I don't think Brownback has crossover appeal, though, and I don't think the Christian conservatives alone can win it for the Republicans next time. m_t, I think you're right about Huckabee. I confess I don't follow the Republicans as much... |
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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2007, 05:53:50 PM » |
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I'm more of a Dem than a Repub, but I try to follow both closely. I would love a ticket that has people on both sides that I don't despise. Could that even happen with the divisive politics we have now in this country?
Huckabee - governor of a southern state - might have a shot at the Repub nomination. Governors seem to do well in recent presidential elections, although I think someone in national office might be better versed about the war than a governor. I could see a Huckabee/Rice ticket - he with the CEO experience and she with the national experience. I think a Huckabee/Snow ticket might be interesting. Huckabee has a great line about being pro-life - says that he believes that life begins at conception but doesn't end at birth, and wants to invest in children. I'm not sure that this country will elect Romney because he's Mormon. And Giuliani? I think he's a fool and was a terrible mayor, other than the leadership he demonstrated after 9/11/01. If the Repubs nominate him, they deserve to lose.
I could see Clinton/Obama but she is so hated here in flyover country. Although I know this is trite (and my friends in IL *strongly* disagree), Obama's name alone may keep him out of the WH. I'm just not sure that the "competence" aspect of a Clinton/Obama ticket would overcome the novelty aspect.
So - are we ready for a black president? Such a difficult hypothetical given the many variables, but here's my tc: If that black president is a Christian man, I think yes. If a Muslim, then no. If a woman, then no.
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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2007, 06:58:00 PM » |
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And Giuliani? I think he's a fool and was a terrible mayor, other than the leadership he demonstrated after 9/11/01. If the Repubs nominate him, they deserve to lose.
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I have to take exception here. I am a staunch democrat who lived in NYC for close to 30 years, and I lived in NYC during the 8 years of Guiliani. I basically hate all Republicans on principle, but with Guiliani, I will give the devil his due. He was a FANTASTIC mayor. Anyone who says he was a terrible mayor obviously didn't live in the city during his tenure--he did amazing things for NYC. How can you say he was terrible? What in the world would make you think he was a terrible mayor? What would you use to back up such a statement? |
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2007, 07:22:23 PM » |
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Obama is a Christian, though. Mind you, I don't necessarily think he can win.
Hillary is also despised in the South, although, as I heard in '04, Gore's campaign sort of proved that the Dems can numerically write off the South, although makes it tough; if Gore had won New Hampshire, Florida would have been irrelevant. That is part of the reason Kerry didn't work too hard in the South -- Edwards was picked more because of his perceived popularity in Iowa and Ohio than because anyone seriously thought he would help in the South. (Polls at the time showed that if Edwards had tried to keep his Senate seat, he would have had a very rough time of it.)
Although I think the Christian conservatives will have less influence on the Republican nomination, I do not think the party will put anyone at the top of the ticket who is not pro-life (as McCain is -- Falwell has publicly stated he would be willing to support McCain). I'm not sure they will do it for the Veep spot, either, although they might accept the GHWB 41 flip. Still, I can't imagine any of the (few) pro-choice Republicans making the switch -- Snowe or Collins or Specter (who won't be under consideration.) And no one would believe Giuliani if he did it.
I also don't like Rudy, although I didn't live in the city until the very end of his tenure. I don't know how good of a mayor he was, but I think he is an ass, whose first line of defense when criticized is too often personal viciousness. But I am not a New Yorker. From my perspective he is narcissistic, abrasive, and whiny...
I don't think he has a prayer to be the Republican nominee unless the Christian conservatives decide not to participate. He's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun-control, etc. The ugly divorce won't be as much of a big deal -- Reagan cheated on his first wife and divorced her. McCain too. They only really care about adultery when it's a Democrat.
I have a friend there who says the only reason he was effective after 9/11 was that he finally had a chance to implement the marshall law he had always craved.
Not sure I agree, but I think it's funny.
Mind you, I don't like Bloomy very much either... Or Freddy Ferrer, for that matter. And Mark Green? Bleah!
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« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2007, 07:51:28 PM » |
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I also don't like Rudy, although I didn't live in the city until the very end of his tenure. I don't know how good of a mayor he was, but I think he is an ass, whose first line of defense when criticized is too often personal viciousness. But I am not a New Yorker. From my perspective he is narcissistic, abrasive, and whiny...
He's also a dictator and a little crazy, but being a narcisstic, abrasive, whiny ass is not antithetical to being a fantastic mayor. Mind you, I don't like Bloomy very much either... Or Freddy Ferrer, for that matter. And Mark Green? Bleah! The city is erroding under Bloomberg and he has ruined the schools. He also hired the worthless what's-his-name as chief of police. Freddy Ferrer is a POS. I've worked with Mark Green on some things and he's actually a righteous dude who would have hired a lot of Guiliani's people, but he wouldn't have been a great choice as mayor. |
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2007, 06:37:13 AM » |
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And Giuliani? I think he's a fool and was a terrible mayor, other than the leadership he demonstrated after 9/11/01. If the Repubs nominate him, they deserve to lose.
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I have to take exception here. I am a staunch democrat who lived in NYC for close to 30 years, and I lived in NYC during the 8 years of Guiliani. I basically hate all Republicans on principle, but with Guiliani, I will give the devil his due. He was a FANTASTIC mayor. Anyone who says he was a terrible mayor obviously didn't live in the city during his tenure--he did amazing things for NYC. How can you say he was terrible? What in the world would make you think he was a terrible mayor? What would you use to back up such a statement? Except for the black folks beaten and killed by the NYPD because it was "Guiliani Time!" |
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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2007, 07:31:21 AM » |
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I've worked with Mark Green on some things and he's actually a righteous dude...
That's good to know about Green. I recognise that any public figure can be a lot less of a schlmiel in person. I met Walter Mondale at the Minnesota caucuses once -- I lived on the poor edge of his neighborhood. As stiff as he is on camera, he is warm and funny and has a kind of mischievous twinkle about him in real life. And I've heard that Al Gore in person is a lot more fun than his ponderous on-camera tendencies would indicate. |
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« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2007, 10:52:27 AM » |
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And Giuliani? I think he's a fool and was a terrible mayor, other than the leadership he demonstrated after 9/11/01. If the Repubs nominate him, they deserve to lose.
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I have to take exception here. I am a staunch democrat who lived in NYC for close to 30 years, and I lived in NYC during the 8 years of Guiliani. I basically hate all Republicans on principle, but with Guiliani, I will give the devil his due. He was a FANTASTIC mayor. Anyone who says he was a terrible mayor obviously didn't live in the city during his tenure--he did amazing things for NYC. How can you say he was terrible? What in the world would make you think he was a terrible mayor? What would you use to back up such a statement? Except for the black folks beaten and killed by the NYPD because it was "Guiliani Time!" Unfortunately, those things have happened under every NYC mayor. Cops killed a Latino kid in my neighborhood under Guilinani's regime as well. That said, my neighborhood had the highest murder rate in the city and the homicide rate dropped about 100%. Moreover, under Dinkins we had riots. And all said and done, NYC cops are pussycats next to the cops in Connecticut, who are animals. |
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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2007, 01:32:15 AM » |
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If the Democrats nominate a woman or a minority man, it will be like handing the victory to the Republicans. The US is shifting further to the right.
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« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2007, 02:52:12 AM » |
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One thing I don't get (and I may have mentioned this before)... everyone harps on Senator Obama having no experience, but what exactly has Senator Clinton done to warrant being seriously considered for President? I mean, really... what? She's never held an executive office, she's only won two elections ever, and she used to live in the White House. Every major policy she's ever tried to implement has gone down in flames.
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« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2007, 09:17:06 AM » |
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The US is shifting further to the right.
My friend, you really need to watch the news. The Democrats just seized control of Congress and a bunch of state governments, President Bush's polls are at Nixonian lows, and the religious right is in full retreat. The pendulum is swinging the other way right now. |
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