gennimom
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« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2010, 04:11:09 PM » |
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I had a student who plagiarized most of his paper. I gave it back to him with a 0 for plagiarism. His next paper came in, not well written, but considerably better than he could write. I look on Google. Nothing. I am guessing someone wrote it for him. Then we have some blog posts and an extra credit assignment. His blog post consists of several paragraphs from Cliff Notes on a book no one was assigned to read. His extra credit assignment, which was to go to the student art show and write about two works, was a word-for-word copy of the city's museum art exhibit.
I wasn't able to fail him because my syllabus said two papers had to be plagiarized to fail.
It is students like that who make me want to do the one plagiarism and you fail the course route.
I hope you changed the wording of your syllabus to "two assignments of any type" or more broad reaching than that. |
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« Reply #121 on: January 30, 2010, 06:24:30 PM » |
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I did change the syllabus, so it says "two assignments which are plagiarized" or "a single egregious plagiarism." (I also defined egregious plagiarism.)
I teach at a CC and I honestly think they don't get it. So, yes, I give them a second chance. They do fail the first assignment.
Other teachers range from doing nothing about it to failing them in the course. But our school is much more into forgiveness than smackdowns.
Oh, is that why I got the chili pepper? My RMP ratings aren't that high. My students want As, but they don't want to earn them.
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galactic_hedgehog
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« Reply #122 on: January 30, 2010, 10:15:07 PM » |
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I had a student who plagiarized most of his paper. I gave it back to him with a 0 for plagiarism. His next paper came in, not well written, but considerably better than he could write. I look on Google. Nothing. I am guessing someone wrote it for him. Then we have some blog posts and an extra credit assignment. His blog post consists of several paragraphs from Cliff Notes on a book no one was assigned to read. His extra credit assignment, which was to go to the student art show and write about two works, was a word-for-word copy of the city's museum art exhibit.
I wasn't able to fail him because my syllabus said two papers had to be plagiarized to fail.
It is students like that who make me want to do the one plagiarism and you fail the course route.
You weren't able to fail him on his merits? So to speak. |
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« Reply #123 on: January 31, 2010, 09:30:15 AM » |
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Here's my favorite plagiarism case so far....
This was a 500-level, writing intensive course in which the major graded component was a research paper. The paper was scaffolded, so students had to turn in topics, outlines, and abstracts for feedback before submitting the paper itself. One student gave me an abstract that included something like: "Our sample included 250 Oaxacan women...."
Me: "Did you make it all the way to Mexico over Thanksgiving break?"
Student: [blink blink]
Me: I have reason to believe that this abstract is plagiarized.
S: NO! I wrote that myself!
Me: And you interviewed women in Mexico for this paper?
S: What?
Me: Did you read this abstract?
S: Of course! I wrote it!
Me: And you published it and now it's available through the library database?
S: .......oh.......
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« Reply #124 on: January 31, 2010, 11:19:50 AM » |
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I allow my students to use Turnitin to identify and fix any problems it finds before they give me hard copies. (I usually use Google, so it doesn't allow them to get away with anything, just gives them another chance to do the right thing.) I looked at hu's Turnitin report, there was no text, just a few numbers. I emailed hu to tell hu to re-submit. No problems identified by Turnitin, but it looked suspicious. It took me a while to find the source.
I give hu an F. Hu is (predictably) shocked and offended. "These are my own words!" I tell hu to bring me hus source and we'll compare it to the paper. "Ummmm" Hu had tried to disguise the plagiarism by citing a different paper than the one hu copied. Hu can't produce the source without revealing intent. "I had no idea it was plagiarism." I tell hu to bring in the assignment hu was required to complete where hu had to explain exactly what plagiarism is. If I mis-marked hus paper, I'll take that into consideration. (I force them to revise until they get it all right.) Hu threatened to file a formal complaint. I was sort of hoping hu would, as the aggravating circumstances would allow me to give hu an F in the course, but it didn't happen.
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« Reply #125 on: January 31, 2010, 01:53:19 PM » |
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Here's my favorite plagiarism case so far....
This was a 500-level, writing intensive course in which the major graded component was a research paper. The paper was scaffolded, so students had to turn in topics, outlines, and abstracts for feedback before submitting the paper itself. One student gave me an abstract that included something like: "Our sample included 250 Oaxacan women...."
Me: "Did you make it all the way to Mexico over Thanksgiving break?"
Student: [blink blink]
Me: I have reason to believe that this abstract is plagiarized.
S: NO! I wrote that myself!
Me: And you interviewed women in Mexico for this paper?
S: What?
Me: Did you read this abstract?
S: Of course! I wrote it!
Me: And you published it and now it's available through the library database?
S: .......oh.......
This would make a great movie for this thread http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,64803.0.htmlWe need more movies. |
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« Reply #126 on: February 07, 2010, 08:21:15 PM » |
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The assignment: an article review, summarising and commenting on the argument of a scholar in a field related to the course. Tho' I didn't insist that the article be accessible online, my students (of course) all went this route, which was fine with me, since I could access them and have them handy as I marked.
So why did two separate students think they could copy the abstract of their separate papers - no citations of any sort - and that I wouldn't notice? Of all the assignments to pull this on ... as Pry says, they can't even pass plagiarism!
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« Reply #127 on: February 09, 2010, 04:21:05 PM » |
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When corresponding with a student about plagiarism, how do you sign your emails?
I'm setting up a meeting with a student about a plagiarized paper - really, just to let her know formally that it's being submitted to the administrative body that deals with this crap. I tried signing off with "Sincerely" - nope. Then "Cheers" - of course not. Then "Best wishes" - uh, not really. "Best" - no.
In the end, I just typed my name.
So how do you sign off?
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« Reply #128 on: February 09, 2010, 04:28:06 PM » |
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When corresponding with a student about plagiarism, how do you sign your emails?
I'm setting up a meeting with a student about a plagiarized paper - really, just to let her know formally that it's being submitted to the administrative body that deals with this crap. I tried signing off with "Sincerely" - nope. Then "Cheers" - of course not. Then "Best wishes" - uh, not really. "Best" - no.
In the end, I just typed my name.
So how do you sign off?
I go with Sincerely--because, in fact, I am sincere. And earnest. |
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Oh, this is how you get a signature line.
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« Reply #129 on: February 09, 2010, 04:29:15 PM » |
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'Sincerely' here too. It contrasts nicely with my usual 'All the best'.
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« Reply #130 on: February 09, 2010, 05:09:09 PM » |
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Looking forward to failing your miserable, cheating hide,
Prof. K.
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« Reply #131 on: February 09, 2010, 06:39:45 PM » |
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Looking forward to failing your miserable, cheating hide,
Prof. K.
I rarely agree with K, but yes, this. |
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« Reply #132 on: February 09, 2010, 09:01:14 PM » |
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Just my initials (LL), instead of the usual "Cheers, LL". Scares the p!ss out of them.
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« Reply #133 on: February 10, 2010, 12:05:44 AM » |
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I also go with "Sincerely."
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