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« on: November 03, 2006, 03:50:37 PM »

With cases of scientific fraud and misconduct in the headlines, a handful of universities have begun teaching research ethics to their graduate students and postdocs in the sciences. The federal government has encouraged such programs, but has not backed them up with significant money, and a forthcoming study suggests that ethics education does not necessarily produce better behavior among scientists. Is ethics education worth it? If so, should universities be required to offer it? Should students be required to take courses in research ethics?
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2006, 02:53:54 AM »

I would, for the start, note that the "cases of scientific fraud and misconduct in the headlines" are mostly committed by the faculty, not by the graduate students.

A conduct becoming a scientist can be taught and learned, no question about this. But I have problems with the way fraud is treated by the academia. I believe that it is being more and more downplayed. The terminology tells the tale: fraud came under "misconduct", then - violation of integrity rules, then - ethics violation. Various universities give recommendations on how to "avoid" plagiarism. But, wait a moment, plagiarism is a fraud. The rest of "misconduct", fabrication and falsification, are also fraud. Will the Ethics course teach how to "avoid" fraud? The authors of the articles and recommendations seem to be confused and are obviously "in denial" about the reality with which they have to deal. They often change definitions, they bring up "explanations", such as increased competition in science, etc.

I speak here as an expert-victim, if there is such a category. Probably few people on this forum don't know about my case (for those who don't, it's at http://ca.geocities.com/uoftfraud/). In this case, plagiarising my PhD research and making a fraudulent academic decision by the supervisor was fully documented and easy to handle, but the corrupt Canadian system had turned an easy case into a war against me. From my perspective I can say that teaching Ethics is the most ridiculous means of "avoiding" fraud. In such cases, we deal with the deviant character and the criminal intent.

Therefore, it would be necessary to separate "misconduct" and "Ethics" from fraud (it doesn't matter where the fraud occurred, in bank or in university). Lumping it all together only helps criminals. The present guidelines and policies only serve (as in some cases of corporate fraud) to reduce what should have been prosecuted as crime, to a mere violation of the internal rules. And, while this confused state of university politics persists, science becomes increasingly the preferred field of activity for dishonest people - the money and the opportunities to live a wonderful life, being never even worried about the quality of your product, are there.

Ethics is something that is not covered by the law, and, please notice - not even by a civil law. Those are variations of individual behaviour that differ even in different systems of religious beliefs. Relying on ethics or calling impermissible, causing harm behaviour an ethics  is very foolish. Therefore, there must be created a third category of impermissible behaviour in an institution that is punished by expulsion, but no other punishment applies. And this category should be, indeed, the subject of rules which necessarily must be taught in a university course and be a subject at the examinations. Ignorance of law is not taken as justification in court. But, what I call a third category - the professional rules, must be proved as learned by the graduating student. I must notice here that such work of separating different types of "misconduct", giving the definitions and methods of teaching has not even started, all time and money being wasted on politics and on sweeping it all under the carpet.

I return to an example brought up in the article by Jeffrey Brainard. No harm is seen in both solutions. One of the solutions, however, can prove to be a mistake. My answer to the dilemma would be this. It has to be determined whose research it is, student's or mentor's. And the final decision should belong to the author. There is apparently no "ethics" here, and no rules, just the science with all its dilemmas.

Concluding:
1. Fabrication, falsification and plagiarism are crimes of dishonesty. The teaching needed in childhood. The punishment is for the court, with the institution as a witness or victim.
2. Ethics is not a proper terminology, its use is the result of corrupt politics, official cover-up strategy and public confusion.
3. Professional rules must be taught and learned.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2006, 01:56:21 PM »

I would, for the start, note that the "cases of scientific fraud and misconduct in the headlines" are mostly committed by the faculty, not by the graduate students.
I think the idea is that today's graduate student is tomorrow's faculty.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 10:44:13 AM »

My SLAC is working to put together a series of talks and courses to teach ethics across the curriculum, but specifically aimed at the science and math students.  Grants have been written, so we'll have to see...
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2006, 08:34:52 AM »

I would, for the start, note that the "cases of scientific fraud and misconduct in the headlines" are mostly committed by the faculty, not by the graduate students.
I think the idea is that today's graduate student is tomorrow's faculty.

I think the idea was: who is going to teach the grad students about ethics if the faculty are crooks?
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2006, 12:40:11 PM »

I am not saying that faculty are crooks. But, I stress that the whole system of academia is highly politicised, acting as a conspiracy, has a code of silence, and, in the absence of an independent consumer who would normally reject a rotten product, the academia has developed the moral standards, lowest in society.

The consumer for graduate and post-graduate education is a student. It is inevitable that the last word in determining worthiness of his work should belong to the supervisors. But such situation can be badly exploited in many ways, so that illegitimate interests take priority. Normally, the perpetrator must be out within a week of discovering this. But, here comes the "procedure" carefully worked out at the top levels of academia, that has a goal to deny all wrongdoings by the faculty.

If my story is not enough to prove this, here is what happened to Caroline Finney. Her ideas of research were stolen by Prof. Marion Perlmutter. The university covered this up and here the worst came: Caroline found herself in unbearable situation. She latter said she would throw up fifty times a day, and I believe her because I myself went into depression that disabled me for more than a decade and will never be over. I was thrown out of life by a few words of the people to whom I complained. Caroline, then, went to court that awarded her 1.6 mln. dollars, mostly for cover up. Perlmutter was found responsible for perpetrating fraud. The court, however, was no authority to the university crooks: they again denied the fraud! And that case remains the only case in US where the complainant won. But, I repeat, the university crooks were not moved! 

This case became widely known. And then, crooks in academia tightened their grip on power. Government went out of even hearing certain most serious complaints. The press was instructed to participate in the conspiracy of silence. A reporter no longer is chasing people for stories. He receives his tasks from the media managers and never looks sideways. He would never touch a story or an event disapproved by the editor.

I am saying that academia became a source of corruption for the rest of society, an example of how to subvert the law and how to get away with it. I have no doubt whatsoever that the methods of teaching ethics, in particular - avoiding the concrete cases and replacing them with ironed down imaginary "situations", will be wrong. I even know how a prof. from Cornell was talked out of teaching my case as an example in the course of ethics (I have his emails to me).
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2006, 04:59:29 PM »

I have a question. Is research fraud more problematic among researchers who do not have a doctorate in scientific  research?  I recall reading many years ago that medical fraud was disproportionately a problem among MD's who conducted research without a doctorate.  As I recall, the stem cell fraud was by a veterinarian who did research, but did not have a Ph.D.  The recent case of Pearson "Trey" Sunderland III was just reported in the Washington Post as "NIH Scientist Pleads Guilty in Accepting $285,000 from Pfizer". See:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/08/AR2006120801572.html?nav=emailpage
but it is my understanding that he is an MD, NOT a PhD scientist.  Does the small percentage of non Ph.D.'s conducting medical research account for a disproportionate percentage of the fraud?  If so, could this have to do with that lack of training?  Does anyone know of any fraud statistics by training?
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2006, 08:28:43 PM »

nyuprof, you are asking:
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Does the small percentage of non Ph.D.'s conducting medical research account for a disproportionate percentage of the fraud?
But you already cited this answer:
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I recall reading many years ago that medical fraud was disproportionately a problem among MD's who conducted research without a doctorate.

You also asking:
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If so, could this have to do with that lack of training?

Do you suspect that lack of scientific training causes one to commit fraud (since PhD certifies a scientific training)?

Then, you ask:
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Does anyone know of any fraud statistics by training?
Apparently, you believe that such statistics can prove or disprove the proposition that lack of training causes one to commit fraud.

Here is an interesting situation. If we go one level lower, the amount of plagiarism committed by undergraduate students is much, much higher than among the faculty, and, so, we can say that fraud decreases with training. But, the differences between students, then, graduate students and the PhD's are not just in the amount of training! And, making such conclusion, connecting fraud with the lack of training, would be, in my opinion, an extremely common mistake we see practically everywhere in the interpretation of statistics. There are phenomena that go parallel with each other statistically, but having no cause and effect connection whatsoever. The examples are often ridiculous. Often, they "prove" some proposition needed politically, and, thereby, constitute a scientific fraud themselves. Often, they are in the research on smoking, gender and other "controversial" areas.

Shouldn't we take a simpler position here by saying that fraud committed by a person in science is an expression of a dishonest character?

But, I would go even further. I suppose that honesty comes, and a dishonesty becomes impossible, when the person has love and appreciation for the beauty of science. I would put the understanding and love of beauty at the deepest roots of all noble human endeavours. Such person would not try to pass a fraud as his product, or a product of another as his product.
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In the particular case you brought up - MD going into research, I would note a sudden drop in the amount of responsibility: working with chemicals v. working with humans.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2006, 01:24:52 PM »

Some undergraduate students cheat.
Some graduate students inflate yields, or skew results.
Some PI's design experiments to prove (not test) their hypotheses.
All of the above is fraud in some way.

Everyone has had the experience of being been too hopeful about results and not wanting to do the experiments that might undermine them. Worse, one hopes the reviewers don't suggest those pesky experiments. Or, it becomes convenient to throw out data that don't make sense.  Integrity comes when one does the experiments anyway, keeps the data anyway.

We can try to teach ethics. But those with no ethics will just try harder to cheat around our warnings.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2006, 05:06:46 PM »

I suggest that the increase in scientific fraud in recent years is tied to the increase in dependence on journal impact ratings for faculty evaluation and promotion.  This tool was never intended for this use, rather it was a tool for librarians.

Consider this, before Darwin published Origin of Species, he hadn't been publishing in the "highly rated" journals of his time.

Just a thought.
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