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mj_romo
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« on: October 23, 2006, 06:55:48 PM »

I'm not giving up on this class, but I am definitely stumped as to how to proceed with them.  I have low level remedial comp class (2 levels below fresh comp - heavy focus on grammar while writing 2-page essays) that meets one night a week at the local CC.  I've taught there a number of years, and this class is by far the most unique I've ever had, and I'm really struggling to connect with them and for them to connect with me and with the material.

For one, the class is heavily populated with Asian ESL students, a much higher concentration than I've seen in this class before.  (It makes me wonder if perhaps the new English Placement Test has not improved the filtration system.  Most of these students probably belong in ESL, but once they're placed.......)  They really struggle to translate what it is I'm saying or asking them to do.  The remainder of the class is older (as in 50s+) Hispanic students, with just a small handful ( I mean that literally) of traditional freshpeeps.

When it comes to reading discussion, I spend 40 minutes of the hour breaking down vocabulary and idioms - for both groups of students - and hardly any time developing anything beyond a rudimentary comprehension.

The textbook I picked has pretty contemporary topics like: how is the internet distracting, is TV good or bad for you, are we too dependent on email, how do you organize your i-pod.  (The readings are simple, personal narratives designed to provide stylistic examples.) The problem is that these students are the most technologically disadvantaged and unaware that I've ever experienced, and I don't know what to do.

Most of them, I discovered, don't have computers and had very little experience (if any) with the internet.  Even after we went to the library for an internet tutorial (that supplied them with answers for the short essay) only 13 of 32 turned that essay in.  Many of them don't have TVs.  None of them have i-pods, and only the freshpeeps even knew what an i-pod was.

I've got 7 weeks and 3 essays left in the semester, and I'm at a loss.  I think I'm going to have to scrap the book, which I don't like doing for two reasons: I hate them paying for a book they don't really use, and I don't know what to do without the book.   And, it's the second reason that's a real worry:  what am I going to have them read that they'll be able to a) understand and b) connect to?

Suggestions, please.   
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2006, 09:03:11 PM »

Well, unless you're Rumplestiltskin, you're pretty screwed.  You can't teach a comp class to ESL students... it just doesn't work.  There has to be a base of knowledge there to work with.

Just keep doing what you are doing, scan the book for relevant topics if you can, and wait for it to end.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 12:11:48 AM »

I agree. I think you picked a text for a higher-level class, and you need to bring in handouts and writing instruction from outside the text (I like OWL).

Sounds like, according to the makeup of your class, your students are probably looking for rules they can follow. They will appreciate as many rules--grammar, sentence structure, whatever--as you can throw at them.

I don't know what you can do about the luddism. The lack of ipods is refreshing, though.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 01:46:49 PM »

I guess part of my frustration stems from the fact that the other section that I'm teaching of this class has responded so well to the text and assignments.  I feel like I have two completely different levels of remedial - the Wed. night class that's on track and performing above-level, and the Thurs. night class with this funky, bizarre group of students.

Any suggestions on reading - short and simple - that I might do?  I was thinking of doing some chapters from House on Mango Street except I don't think the Asian students would get it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 09:04:34 PM »

Would it be possible to incorporate some popular media writing not geared to young people? My grandparents are ESL, and they have always enjoyed the English-language versions of Reader's Digest, Prevention, and other publications of that type. They offer a variety of first-person narratives and journalistic accounts of topics that might have some broad appeal. In any event, best of luck!
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 09:14:26 PM »

I guess part of my frustration stems from the fact that the other section that I'm teaching of this class has responded so well to the text and assignments.  I feel like I have two completely different levels of remedial - the Wed. night class that's on track and performing above-level, and the Thurs. night class with this funky, bizarre group of students.

Any suggestions on reading - short and simple - that I might do?  I was thinking of doing some chapters from House on Mango Street except I don't think the Asian students would get it.

How about some poetry? Just don't whip out Ezra Pound.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 10:13:24 PM »

I had quite a few Asian ESL students in my previous position.  It's always a challenge, especially since some of them spoke English ONLY in the classroom.  One student made an extra effort by reading out loud in English - newspapers, cereal boxes, People magazine, textbooks.  (She read out loud on the bus every day and was delighted to find that the seat next to her was always empty.  <g>)

I recommended the technique to other students who had difficulty with English.  They found it helpful and I noticed an improvement in both speaking and writing.  (Note:  I am not an English professor and do not claim to be an expert.)   Perhaps you can incorporate some assignments that require reading out loud. 

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2006, 12:23:09 AM »

Or you could combine the advice of last two posts and have them read poetry out loud.

The textbooks would be cheap too.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 05:32:40 AM »

Sounds like you need to dump the textbook if it's example are geared toward a level of affluence that these people don't have.

I'm guessing that this class is made up of recent immigrants who 1) lack much education in their native lands and 2) are pursuing the American dream -- working crummy jobs while trying to get an education.  So, it would seem to me that good topics to write about/discuss would be:

- family histories/background
- work experience
- dreams/hopes for the future

One thing I've noticed among Asian immigrant students, at least those with a minimum of formal education, is that they usually read/write much better than they speak/listen.  Giving them written step-by-step directions may be more productive than verbal explanations.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 10:33:00 AM »

I like the Reader's Digest idea since I can get some things to fill in for the remaining few weeks.

I'm not going to scrap the text - except for in this class - it's proven to be quite popular in my other section, and it's quite popular on campus.  But, I guess I got an odd group that it simply doesn't fit.

Thanks for the suggestions.  Keep your fingers crossed for me that I can survive the next 7 weeks.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 03:51:18 PM »

mj_romo,

Good luck and maybe consider this class a blessing in disguise.  The thrill of challenging the students by making them think you posted about in another thread has been returned to you. Now you must be thoughtful and innovative - emphasis on the innovative part.

As you probably already know, each class has its own personality and you've got a challenging one.  It sounds as if you have accepted the challenge.  Maybe you can do some research using the two sections to develop alternative teaching techniques for reaching the student population your challenge class consists of.  I say this in all seriousness - I think you may have been dealt an opportunity to explore and learn along with your students.  Can you test comprehension and abilities now, then in seven weeks to determine any impact of your revised teaching methodologies?

Not being an English scholar and not trying to be a smartie pants, could you employ a little Dr. Seuss or similar type of book that more approaches their reading level and do it in such a way that it is fun and not poking fun?  I may be way out of line and if so, I humbly apologize.
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2006, 02:37:04 PM »

How about giving them an assignment where they come up with an assignment!  Ask them if to each suggest a book/magazine/newspaper/instruction manual/cookbook or whatever that they would like to be able to read or understand better. Maybe you could even ask them to come up with an assignment based on it.  Out of a class of 20, you'd probably get at least 3-4 that are good enough to use to ride out the semester.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2006, 03:17:48 PM »

I guess part of my frustration stems from the fact that the other section that I'm teaching of this class has responded so well to the text and assignments.  I feel like I have two completely different levels of remedial - the Wed. night class that's on track and performing above-level, and the Thurs. night class with this funky, bizarre group of students.

Any suggestions on reading - short and simple - that I might do?  I was thinking of doing some chapters from House on Mango Street except I don't think the Asian students would get it.

Unfortunately mj_romo, I know exactly what you mean. I used to teach at a very large urban cc that had widely (and I mean widely) varying abilties when it came to students. In a developmental course four levels (yes, four) below transfer, you might get 80% Asian, 10% Latino, and a balance of high-end professionals who need to brush up on grammar. Yikes! How to teach?

Variety. I did worksheets on sentence structure that were culture-specific. I mean I literally created examples from the cultures that I saw in the classroom. So instead of "Mary and Susanne went to school," I wrote, "Sai and Paola went to the Cultural Center." I know some will think this is pandering, but they get it more when words and situations seem more familiar. Otherwise they are not only grappling with a new language, but with new situations and products as well. (And you've seen how introducing them to new technology works!)

Another thing you can do is subvert the topics. If your text is pushing "internet dating," then bring in articles on similar topics such as "arranged marriages" or "interracial dating" and let students choose their own topics to write on. If you can supplement your book or replace some articles, you might not have to scrap it entirely. It is a shame that this one class isn't fitting, though... I know it's tempting to try to "raise them up" to the level of the other classes, but I'm not sure how possible that really is within a short semester. And I know I had some of the same problems you're describing; the few normal (or above-average) achievers felt "pulled down" or "held back" by the rest of the class. I was able to transfer four of those into another class that was a better fit, but they may simply get frustrated with the situation. 

Also, do push these students to form study groups and visit tutors. I was lucky--the cc I worked for had a series of workshops that addressed many ESL concerns and I was able to get them to go to many of them. I believe I did cave and gave extra credit for this--but it was somewhat neglible. I wanted to be careful not to lower standards too much.

With group work, you may find that this group is mostly "mute." One solution I had to this dilemma was to give out 4x6 index cards and have students respond to in-class questions that way; I then sorted them and read certain ones outloud--being very careful to support rather than confront. Group work helped, too, but one has to be careful not to let the "louder" students carry the quiet ones. (After hearing an oral presentation from the "leader," I often then asked those sitting with him additional questions; they felt less "on the spot" and were able to contribute without being too embarrassed.)

I do recommend The House on Mango Street; I've taught it successfully to a mostly non-native American class and for some reason, the huge Asian population really, really got this book. They relate to the many parallels to their own situation (and I'm generalizing in huge ways here in order to get a message across quickly): 1) although there are nice things out there, they don't have them; 2) both cultures sends their best to school and the other kids work; 3) sex outside of marriage is done, but not approved of, and 4) marrying "up" or working are seen as the primary ways "out" of poverty.

If I think of more ideas, I'll post again. This is a tricky one!
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