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« on: October 16, 2006, 10:07:48 PM » |
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What do you think of a professor who has been late for more than once, in the first six weeks of the class, the most serious case being late for 20 minutes? (the students were about to go, but they stayed only because they were getting used to it)
Is it common at your school?
My friend's department chair got an anonymous complaint letter from a student, too worried about disclosing his/ her identity. Though she reamined anonymous, she did point out clearly the date and time when such things happened.
if you were the department chair, then would you look into it and find out if this really happened?
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2006, 11:56:54 PM » |
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What do you think of a professor who has been late for more than once, in the first six weeks of the class, the most serious case being late for 20 minutes?
Car accidents and family emergencies are normally beyond the control of most mere mortals. So, I'm not ready to throw this professor under the bus just yet. Also, since "more than once" could mean twice, I think I need A LOT more information. BTW, when did this become a hate-on-professors board? |
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amyamy
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2006, 12:17:08 AM » |
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no.
actually, i am applying to that school .....
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amyamy
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2006, 12:25:09 AM » |
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by the way, if they were the same person, the SC members must be fretting over thier decision
Well, as this is my friend's story, I don't know that many details (like how many times she was late)
Heard this is a rather new prof. too. The student said she is not very punctual anyway, and sometimes leaves early ....
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2006, 07:06:30 AM » |
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At my undergraduate, the rule was 10 minutes without the Ph.D., 15 with.
At one of the schools where I teach now, I believe we have 15 minutes before the students can run for the hills.
I'm not saying that people encourage lateness. I think it's just assumed that professors might get caught up in some of the many other things upon which their careers are judged, which would cause them to be late to class on occassion.
That, and all those life situations someone else mentioned. Oh, and traffic, too. Don't forget unusual traffic situations.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2006, 09:31:58 AM » |
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My friend's department chair got an anonymous complaint letter from a student, too worried about disclosing his/ her identity. Though she reamined anonymous, she did point out clearly the date and time when such things happened.
if you were the department chair, then would you look into it and find out if this really happened?
For one anonymous letter claiming a prof was 20 minutes late, I'd probably let it go. If the prof was habitually late, say close to the 15 minute cut-off on a weekly basis, then it may be an issue. As they say, life happens. I have to drop off my kid at school, then head to work, and have about a 20-30 minute buffer before my first class. But bad weather or a traffic problem can dissolve that buffer. |
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2006, 11:35:23 AM » |
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IMHO, if faculty cannot get to class on time consistently, then they are in violation of their contract. What kind of example does that set for students?
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2006, 02:27:27 PM » |
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At my undergraduate, the rule was 10 minutes without the Ph.D., 15 with.
At one of the schools where I teach now, I believe we have 15 minutes before the students can run for the hills.
The 10-minute/15-minute rule is an urban myth. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2006, 05:14:38 PM » |
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At my undergraduate, the rule was 10 minutes without the Ph.D., 15 with.
At one of the schools where I teach now, I believe we have 15 minutes before the students can run for the hills.
The 10-minute/15-minute rule is an urban myth. It was a myth followed religiously (ha-ha) at my previous SLAC. Students articulated, and followed, the rule. However, it was in a suburb, so perhaps that doesn't count. |
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 05:28:20 PM » |
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At my undergraduate, the rule was 10 minutes without the Ph.D., 15 with.
At one of the schools where I teach now, I believe we have 15 minutes before the students can run for the hills.
The 10-minute/15-minute rule is an urban myth. Maybe at your university, but there really was a 15-minute rule at one of my previous universities (I'll have to check the manual for my current one). Personally, I think that twenty minutes late is very late. If it's entirely out of keeping with the professor's other behavior (the prof. is ALWAYS on time, and just had trouble once), then maybe I'd let it go. (I'm sympathetic to a single aberration--someone's schedule gets thrown off because of something unexpected. But I also remind my students that punctuality requires planning for a certain level of contingency.) But if it's coupled with habitual tardiness (even of the 5-minute level), the students have every right to complain, and yes, I think the chair should look into the situation. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2006, 07:29:10 PM » |
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Personally, I think that twenty minutes late is very late. If it's entirely out of keeping with the professor's other behavior (the prof. is ALWAYS on time, and just had trouble once), then maybe I'd let it go. (I'm sympathetic to a single aberration--someone's schedule gets thrown off because of something unexpected. But I also remind my students that punctuality requires planning for a certain level of contingency.) But if it's coupled with habitual tardiness (even of the 5-minute level), the students have every right to complain, and yes, I think the chair should look into the situation.
I agree with alot of what is said here, however I think it might be helpful to also consider other parts of this profs performance. For example, are papers/tests/etc returned in a timely manner? Is the Prof available to students outside of class? How long does it take to return phone calls or emails? I think we've all meet or worked with profs who were retired-on-the-job. Could that be the case with this prof? |
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amyamy
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2006, 08:38:33 PM » |
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not sure if this is her first year, but heard she's still youngish. surely not retired-on-the-job
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2006, 09:37:58 PM » |
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It sounds bad, but then again you have to look at the whole package. I have a very senior colleague who is 10+ minutes late to every class. He makes up for it by keeping the students ten minutes late! He is a very imposing fellow, no one says a word about it. He is also a tremendously valuable member of our institution and a great teacher.
(Amyamy, the shift and punctuation keys are your friend and ours.)
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amyamy
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2006, 09:47:20 PM » |
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Thanks for your reminder! ;-)
Indeed, I believe that to be deemed punctual one needs to arrive (slightly) EARLIER.
I believe that students do not normally complain about a professor who is 5 -10 minutes late, but who makes up for it by being very informative lectures and who keeps his/ her students 10 minutes late.
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