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[berzerk]

(aaahhh.. can't... hold... back....)

When a slender gender-bender is a spender set on splendor, but can't render legal tender, so the vendor cries "Offender!" --
[/quote]

Then the slender gender-bender should remember
the fifth amender (sorry)
and call a bail lender
to avoid the jail tender
then go on a three day bender.

[pyshnov]

Reading this thread gave me a real pleasure. The thing is that I was accused of being weak-minded and suspected of being misogynic when I confessed that I do not understand the socially important to Canada concept of GENDER. This was also ascribed to my (I am Russian) ignorance of English. Well, now I see people who have similar deficiency! Gender is surely a nonsense! Here people try to explain it but I see no explanation why word gender has to replace word sex in any uses, particularly on application forms.

Here are points from the explanation by prof_mom:

Almost no one is either totally masculine or totally feminine.

Wait a moment, sex is setermined by chromosomes. The truth is the exact opposite: rarely one has other than XX or XY. And, they never ask you to put there some gender differing from your sex!

I said the notion of gender is out dated because the way it is conceptualized originated in the 60's.

The "notion" of gender is what you are supposed to write on application form? And how often it must be re-conceptualized? You were a woman in the 60's, who are you now?

As with most people, I have masculine characteristics (decisiveness, good problem solving abilities, career oriented), but I also have feminine ones (mothering, nurturing, etc). I wonder how one would operationalize this construct in a way that made sense today.

I would operationalize this construct in this way: I first would deconstruct it, everyone knows how to do it. Well, I personally don't know, but everybody is deconstructing something professionally and publishes an article on this. Second thing would be... No, there is no second thing. You published it and you are done. You operationalized it, you have a publication.

So, at least with one item, I finished. I was not stupid.

What remains is that misogynic... Wait for this one. May be it's also a construct?

[acrimone]

(aaahhh.. can't... hold... back....)

When a slender gender-bender is a spender set on splendor, but can't render legal tender, so the vendor cries "Offender!" --

Then the slender gender-bender should remember
the fifth amender (sorry)
and call a bail lender
to avoid the jail tender
then go on a three day bender.



[/quote]

The rhyme's not fit,
To clean my fender.
It's a piece of sh*t.

Return to sender.

[warmaiden]

What should a person with XY chromosomes who lives as a woman mark under "sex"?

I think it's generally understood, particularly on applications for things where someone is not going to be checking under your pants (like undergrad college apps), that whether it's sex or gender, you mark what you live.

[berzerk]

The rhyme's not fit,
To clean my fender.
It's a piece of sh*t.

Return to sender.

Philistine.

[acrimone]

Babylonian, actually.  At least in spirit.

[prof_mom]

Babylonian, actually.  At least in spirit.

Do we need to do the zombie thing to this thread too, or are people still enjoying it?

[crazybatlady]

Let's add a new twist:

Has anyone here seen the movie Barnyard?  It takes a unusual take on gender: all the "cows," both male and female, have udders.  (Very visible and in-your-face udders, chewydog. I don't recommend you see it.)

I can't decide if the moviemakers are idiots or just wanted to raise questions about gender roles in all-female barnyards.  Do some animals take on "male" roles when they are all female? 

Or the moviemakers are idiots.

What do you think?

[acrimone]

Prolly idiots.

[larryc]

When we were first married the wife and I had hot, steamy gender nearly every night.

Now, not so much.

[gennidad]

Idiots that have never left the city and have no idea what a real cow or bull looks like.

[basilratbane]

The filmmakers are bonobos.

Let's add a new twist:

Has anyone here seen the movie Barnyard?  It takes a unusual take on gender: all the "cows," both male and female, have udders.  (Very visible and in-your-face udders, chewydog. I don't recommend you see it.)

I can't decide if the moviemakers are idiots or just wanted to raise questions about gender roles in all-female barnyards.  Do some animals take on "male" roles when they are all female? 

Or the moviemakers are idiots.

What do you think?

[dolljepopp]

Idiots that have never left the city and have no idea what a real cow or bull looks like.
 

Now, now, we city folk can't always help our ignorance.

I was in my mid-twenties before my mother, who grew up on a farm, explained, in an exasperated tone, to her idot city-(soy)boy son that "cow-tipping" was obviously something that idiot city kids had thought up, because anyone from the country knew that cows don't sleep standing up.

I, of course, had not actually known that.  (I'd never gone "cow-tipping," either -- I was afraid of farm animals.

So, yeah, we city folk can be dumb.

But I know which train takes me uptown the fastest...

[prof_mom]

When we were first married the wife and I had hot, steamy gender nearly every night.

Now, not so much.

LOL.

I just hope you did your part to promote world peace. ;)

[lux__]

I prefer the term gender to sex. A gender is culturally conditioned whereas a sex is biological and innate. Gender allows for more change than does sex and it takes nothing for granted, which is the point. It's a pretty innocuous term, so presumably there are bigger battles to be fought.