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« Reply #3615 on: April 06, 2008, 12:14:26 PM »

"why do you make me feel stupid." 

Oooh, that must have been so tempting.

You should get rewarded for not jumping on that one.
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« Reply #3616 on: April 06, 2008, 01:50:47 PM »

A likable but very annoying and time consuming student sent an email to myself and three different people without copying the others with the subject line "i had no idea about some deadline and I need help asap."  No apologies, no excuses given, just that she had "no idea" a deadline existed.  This is despite the fact that it is  listed in four different pieces of communication sent to her campus box, individual communication, not just a random flyer stuffed in her mail box, plus an email sent to both her campus email and her gmail account.  Since I was out of town, the three other people took the time to respond to her, not knowing that others were also responding to her but each copied me.  And since that time (last Tuesday), has she turned in the paperwork that was due?  No, she just keeps ignoring their advice and asking questions are explicitly answered in the paperwork she was given more than three weeks ago.  The paperwork she was to turn in simply had to be read and then signed to indicate she had read and understood what was required of her and to indicate a yes or no as to whether she wanted to accept a place on the program that was offered to her.  All of these people told her to turn in the forms now and that I would help her when I got back. 

As soon as I returned to email access, I responded that technically she was no longer eligible for the offer that had been made to her but since I was away, if she gets the forms in to me by 10:00 am on Monday fine, otherwise, the offer is revoked.  I did this because she has a history of trouble with follow through on many things, including two earlier deadlines she missed.  I mentioned that she appeared to have an issue with deadlines.  I planned to speak to her about the fact that although she is a very smart person, she seems to be constantly shooting herself in the foot and to give her advice about the reality of deadlines in the real world. 

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I am really mad at myself for having missed the deadline.  However, I do not recall any other deadlines that I missed. What were these? Please remind me.  I can't imagine I haven't handed in enough paperwork on time. It has been extremely time consuming for me to do all the application work and to miss the deadline even though I shouldn't have for non-legal paperwork does not seem a justification to revoke my participation on this program.


On Monday, I will happily document the deadlines she has missed previously from the 82 emails I have from her in the past.  I will point out that our deadline has nothing to do with "legal paperwork" that there is a waiting list for her place on the program for an equally qualified student who is only on the waiting list because there are limited spaces, not because the other student is not worthy of her spot.  She was only given preference because she will be a senior, that we sometimes have to make decisions based on such arbitrary things, as much as we would like to not have to do so.  She will be told that if she makes one wrong step with the remaining deadlines that must be met, her position will most definitely be revoked for non legal but justifiable reasons.  I almost hope she misses the deadline on Monday. 

Interestingly, despite my dislike of speaking with seatmates on airplanes, I had a very interesting discussion with my seatmate yesterday on the flight home from the east coast that is tangentially connected to the issue of deadlines.  He is a physicist who works as a civilian contractor in a field that has military applications some where in New Mexico.  (I wanted to ask him if he knew Polly_Mer but realized that I would sound like an idiot.)  When the 'generous' free beverage cart came around we started talking because he was interested in the journal I was reading.  Anyway, our discussion led to some of his woes of finding people to do the work he needed to get done so I asked him what knowledge and/or qualities he would like to see undergraduates emerge from college with.  His reply was that knowledge was important and he could find plenty of those who had the requisite knowledge he needed but he would like to see people who didn't stop when faced with an obstacle but rather tried to strategize other ways of doing things, to problem solve. He wanted people who worked well with deadlines and were able to break down the steps to complete a project on time.  He also wanted people who could work together as a team. 

After our drinks were finished, we both went back to our previous endeavors and stopped talking.  He brought out his computer, and I noticed the top of his computer screen had the word "UNCLASSIFIED" so since I couldn't spy on anything interesting I took a nap.  When I awoke as the plane landed, he made a point of adding that he had thought of another skill he really wanted students to have when they graduated.  He said, "I want them to be able to listen."  I mentioned that we do give students some tips on being active listeners in College Survival Skills type workshops etc.  But he said, "Colleges give credit for courses in speech and public speaking but it is even more important for students to be able to listen.  Unless you give credit for learning how to listen, students aren't going to assign any value to it. It is critical for them to be able to learn this skill."  This is not earthshaking or new and off the subject of this thread but I thought it was interesting to remember. 

Hmm, spell check doesn't recognize "strategize" but it is in my copy of "the most useful and authoritative dictionary you can own."  Sorry to ramble, perhaps this should be on the free association thread instead.   

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« Reply #3617 on: April 06, 2008, 04:50:40 PM »

However, sometimes this is the very first time that a student has encountered a situation that really calls for picking the least bad option.  The idea that there are no good options at this point is completely foreign.  "What do you think?" is code for "But, but I want a good option, one where I'm a winner".

Yep. Sometimes $hit happens and one has to deal with it. Fortunately, there's always the next term. And if one is on the quarter system, that next term is only a few weeks away!

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« Reply #3618 on: April 06, 2008, 05:18:01 PM »

"why do you make me feel stupid." 

"I calls 'em as I sees 'em."
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« Reply #3619 on: April 06, 2008, 06:19:20 PM »

"why do you make me feel stupid." 

Oooh, that must have been so tempting.

You should get rewarded for not jumping on that one.

I was sorely tempted to tell her that no one can make you feel stupid without your permission.  But I behaved myself.  This student either needs to develop a tougher hide or get some help to deal with whatever emotional issues she has or she's not going to go very far in life.  And whether she likes it or not, she'll have no one to blame but herself.
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« Reply #3620 on: April 06, 2008, 11:42:01 PM »


This student wrote to me a few days before the due date for their composition after an absence and said that he had mono and wasn't able to do much of anything (and provided a doctor's note), so I granted a renegotiable one-week extension.  He just e-mailed the composition 24 hours before the extension deadline with the following message (originally in Spanish, but I've translated it):

Professor Profesoracr,

Here's my composition.  Thank you for the extra week.  My grandmother died earlier this week and I needed it.

Student who didn't miss class earlier this week or even drop a hint of a dead grandmother

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« Reply #3621 on: April 07, 2008, 11:52:42 AM »

What are you going to do?
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« Reply #3622 on: April 07, 2008, 08:25:28 PM »

The assignment: Prepare written notes for a discussion to be held in our undergraduate seminar.  I announced the notes would be collected.

The email:
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From: student@HugePublicU.edu
Subject: Assignment

Hi Dr. Svenc,

Is it OK write this ass up in outline form?  Is there a page limit?

Sincerely,

Student

My reply:

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Dear Student,

Yes, but it is not OK to abbreviate "assignment" without a period!

Best regards,

Svenc
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« Reply #3623 on: April 07, 2008, 09:41:31 PM »

The assignment: Prepare written notes for a discussion to be held in our undergraduate seminar.  I announced the notes would be collected.

The email:
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From: student@HugePublicU.edu
Subject: Assignment

Hi Dr. Svenc,

Is it OK write this ass up in outline form?  Is there a page limit?

Sincerely,

Student

My reply:

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Dear Student,

Yes, but it is not OK to abbreviate "assignment" without a period!

Best regards,

Svenc


Maybe he intended to write it in bed.
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« Reply #3624 on: April 07, 2008, 10:11:02 PM »

I just got a whiney one from a student who failed hu's take-home midterm.  Apparently, turning it in on time should automatically guarantee a passing grade. 
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« Reply #3625 on: April 08, 2008, 08:16:35 AM »

The assignment: Prepare written notes for a discussion to be held in our undergraduate seminar.  I announced the notes would be collected.

The email:
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From: student@HugePublicU.edu
Subject: Assignment

Hi Dr. Svenc,

Is it OK write this ass up in outline form?  Is there a page limit?

Sincerely,

Student

My reply:

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Dear Student,

Yes, but it is not OK to abbreviate "assignment" without a period!

Best regards,

Svenc


Maybe he intended to write it in bed.

Maybe the student had just watched Peter Greenaway's The Pillow Book.
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« Reply #3626 on: April 08, 2008, 12:51:53 PM »

Maybe the student had just watched Peter Greenaway's The Pillow Book.

Oof, then maybe collecting the assignments is a bad idea!
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« Reply #3627 on: April 08, 2008, 01:06:53 PM »

I sent out an email letting students know that "Anderson (communities) and Sommers (romance) have been uploaded" to the classroom management site. A student emailed back:

What theme are each of those article for?

I have chosen not to answer.
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« Reply #3628 on: April 08, 2008, 02:37:25 PM »

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Dr. Fannie,
 
I sent an email about this Sunday, but because I haven't recieved a response, I am guessing it got lost in the internet somewhere. I did not bring my rough draft on Friday's class because I was under the impression that we were one day behind the sylabus for the purposes of assignments. This was reinforced because you did not mention this rough draft assignment being due friday in class, or in the email sent out monday detailing the work due Friday. Is it at all possible for me to have this assignment with me in class Wensday so that I can turn it in, or am I out of luck?
 
Any help is appreciated,
Out of Luck.

So
1. It's my fault that he skipped class on Friday.
2.  It's my fault that he didn't know about an assignment on the syllabus because he hasn't read it.
3.  It's also my responsibility to grade the assignment on Wed, when I am doing the grading tonight?
4. In the Sunday email, he also said that he had a 'valid excuse' (syllabus says 'no excuses accepted'). 
5. It's my fault that I didn't reiterate about an assignment that's been due since day 1 on an email for another assignment.
6.  In the Sunday email, his concern was that since he was going to receive a zero on this assignment, then he wasn't going to pass the class.


So...it's my fault that I didn't nag him.
It's my fault he can't read.
And he thinks I should 'help him out'.


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« Reply #3629 on: April 08, 2008, 02:55:47 PM »

... help him out with a kick in the assignment...
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